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The bible is not actually an anti-abortion book. I can only think of one passage that deals with punishment for causing a pregnant woman to lose her unborn child.
Exodus 21
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Simply causing a pregnant woman to lose her child is not sufficient grounds for the death penalty. Rather you are subjected to a fine to be determined by the judges.
The bible calls for death of all those who murder another person. If it fails to call for death of a man/men who while fighting hit a woman and cause her to lose her fetus, then it stands to reason that scripturally a fetus is not a person. Presumably it is incumbent on the husband of the woman to call for the death penalty if he so wishes, but it seems the judges have the ultimate say.
Ok...well then let's enact laws making abortion punishable by fines. Better yet, let's expand on this fine idea and give "abortion tickets" just like traffic tickets.
The Bible says very clearly that there should be a punishment for aborting a fetus. That's the whole point.
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Ok...well then let's enact laws making abortion punishable by fines. Better yet, let's expand on this fine idea and give "abortion tickets" just like traffic tickets.
The Bible says very clearly that there should be a punishment for aborting a fetus. That's the whole point.
oh well if its in the bible then what are we waiting for, we have to do what the Bible tells us. The bible has never been wrong on anything, ever...
oh well if its in the bible then what are we waiting for, we have to do what the Bible tells us. The bible has never been wrong on anything, ever...
I firmly believe the Bible should have no place in our laws. The part about the fines was a joke and the other part was contradicting Ohio-psycho's skewed interpretations of the Bible.
The reason I feel abortion should be against the law has NOTHING to do with religion. It has to do with the fact that I believe that the child IS alive and that it's no better than a mother killing her child after the child is born. As science and medicine advance, the age at which a fetus can survive outside its mother's womb is being pushed earlier and earlier. If fetuses have survived outside the womb in the second trimester (which they have), why on earth should abortion be allowed if the child is the same age?
I would be happy to compromise and allow abortions in the first trimester ONLY for now. However, once we have fetuses surviving outside the womb during the first trimester, abortions will have to be banned then as well.
We need to do more studies on exactly when a fetus can think, feel, etc. (even the slightest bit). Once the fetus can think or feel ANYTHING, abortion needs to be illegal. If studies in the future prove that this is during the first trimester, my compromise also ends then. At that point, it's clearly murder.
Remember, it's not just about the mother's rights. I'm so sick and tired of hearing this constant BS about the "woman's rights" to choose. What about the child's rights? What about the rights of the father of the child?
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A woman also has the right to keep her legs closed. Everyone likes to squawk about rape and incest but over 99% of abortions are a result of irresponsible men and women having unprotected sex and wanting to kill the baby out of convenience. It is barbaric, cruel, and has NO place in civilized society. We weep for the victims of Iraq and 9/11 but walk past abortion clinics without batting an eyelid. Some may want to pretend God is not there but he isn't pleased by this and you reap what you sow. Meaning sow corn and get corn. Sow thoughtless murder and that's what you'll get.
Pro choice. It's ultimately the woman's choice to bear the child, not my determination, not society's, not government, not religion. As for the religious argument, I'll leave that between the woman and her concept of God, and continue to work on my own relationship with the Lord, and worry less about others relationship with the Lord.
I have a direct question for you. Do you believe a woman who has been raped should be legally required to carry the unborn baby to term and deliver it?
A woman is not legally required to carry a baby for any reason in 2009 so perhaps I misunderstand your question ? If you are speaking of a biblical life (the whole 52 books not just the old covenant) then yes. The life is not hers to take. Until you can create a human from dust then killing one to spare yourself some type of upset is NO excuse. If Christ did what was convenient for him then we would all be in trouble. You seem to be speaking from a self centered position which has no Christ like spirit attached to it at all. We are all tested to strengthen us and bring us to the place that God wants us IF we are obedient to him. As long as we keep trying to tell him "you messed up this time so i'll fix it for ya" we'll always find ourselves in undesireable situations.
Pro choice. It's ultimately the woman's choice to bear the child, not my determination, not society's, not government, not religion. As for the religious argument, I'll leave that between the woman and her concept of God, and continue to work on my own relationship with the Lord, and worry less about others relationship with the Lord.
You are right in that everyone has a choice. To murder or not is a choice. The problem comes when people attempt to reinvent God into some lax liberal being who accepts anything . Since you said lord thats very generic so you could be talking about anyone from satan to buddha so its unclear who you meant. Make NO mistake that the Our Heavenly father God of Abraham and the bible does not condone killing children because its a bad time for you right now regardless of the propoganda in magazines and on Oprah.
Make NO mistake that the Our Heavenly father God of Abraham and the bible does not condone killing children because its a bad time for you right now regardless of the propoganda in magazines and on Oprah.
He does not condone murdering children unless its to get people out of Egypt right?
He does not condone murdering children unless its to get people out of Egypt right?
I don't recall him sending human beings to murder any children. If you disobey him and sow bloodshed and cruelty then you WILL reap that . And they weren't just people they were HIS people and the Egyptians were asked nicely. They disobeyed and had to pay for it as GOD saw fit. The mistake many men make is putting themselves on par with God. As I stated earlier if you can CREATE life then its your to take. Since we can't even create a speck of dirt from nothing then human life is not ours to take. I was asked a question and thats my answer.
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