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Old 02-21-2009, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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A point to ponder: Did you know that if every single person on the entire planet was given a 400 square foot "apartment", surrounded by a 6 foot lawn/garden on all sides, you could fit everyone in the world in the state of Texas?

Every single person in the world (6 billion +).
Each person gets ~1240 square feet of space, including their outdoor area.
The entire planet can be housed in Texas. And this is with just single story housing.

Do the math. We're not overcrowded.
I can't do the math; I'm not that bright.

Can you give me something to read?
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Old 02-21-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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I am pro-choice in the sense that I believe it is the woman's body, it is her that will carry the baby and deliver it, and only she knows if this is something she wants to do or can deal with. However, I would personally never have an abortion. I believe life starts at conception. You hear people say, it is only a blob of cells etc. It is a human baby at a certain level of development. If you have an abortion you are killing a baby, and that is that. The choice should not be taken from women, I would just never make that choice myself.
I respect that. There are some things that a person just can't live with and shouldn't be expected to do. If abortion is legal and a woman chooses to deliver a baby when all around her are suggesting that she abort, it becomes yet another stress and cause for heartache.
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Old 02-21-2009, 05:22 PM
 
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How long is this mathematical question going to drag on? Is it really important in the issue of abortion? If the world is overcrowded or not is not a question of mathematics anyway.It's a matter of sustainability. Australia, for example, is a huge country around the same size as the US but only capable of supporting a much smaller population because a lot of it is desert. We are almost to the point of over stretching our resources now and our population is only a fraction of the US.

Modern medicine has eradicated many diseases that culled the population in the past. We no longer have the plagues that wiped out millions and so the population continues to grow unchecked. When you add the problem of pollution and fuels, the Earth can't take or give much more. People need to be a bit more practical and realistic, the Earth is getting overcrowded and controlled population growth is one possible outcome to that, whether you like it or not.
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Old 02-21-2009, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Maybe I"m wierd [alright I AM wierd] but I dont believe that MEN have the right to an opinion. The only one that can have an opinion is the pregnant woman.
Pregnant men have an absolute right to decide whether to have an abortion or not.
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Old 02-21-2009, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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95% of ALL abortions performed are due to Sexual Hedonism gone (further) wrong . The American Sexual Hedonist needs the availability of Abortion Mills and vice versa. Its time our Government got some spine to legislate Morality with very stiff penalties . We need some Singaporian justice in this country badly because Americans suffer from Immorality and Apathy which is bringing the once great Country to ruin on many various levels.
Why would we want the government establishing the "morality police." There is no consensus on what is moral and they are really important things for the government to pay attention to.

How about everyone is responsible for their own morality.
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Old 02-21-2009, 06:14 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Pregnant men have an absolute right to decide whether to have an abortion or not.
Maybe you missed this in biology class, but it is physically impossible for men to become pregnant because they don't have a uterus.
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Old 02-21-2009, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Bless your hearts; you people really don't have a CLUE, do you?

In the first place, this argument has gotten completely out of hand and off-topic. If you want to debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin - or on a square acre of land - you should start your own topic. There's one about overpopulation on here where this discussion belongs.

Second, parceling out land to people for self-sufficiency is a socialist pipe dream. Do you really think that doing so would solve the so-called "overpopulation" problem? No. City people don't want to sweat over a tiny parcel of acreage to become self sufficient. Most of them don't have a clue where their food comes from, and would be appalled at what they would have to do to get it to grow. ("OOOOH, there's something nasty on my shoe/meat/eggshell! Get it OFF!") That is why there are farmers and ranchers and gubbermint bureaucracies and folks who play the commodities market. The world looks overpopulated to you because you are looking at Shanghai and New York City and Tokyo and Sydney - places where people go to NOT work on farms. Out in the real country there are hundreds of thousands of acres, sparsely populated, run purely to grow the food for everyone else - but with lots more, barely arable, fringe land on which to park homes. Only problem is that no one wants to do without their Mickey D's and Starbucks and nightclubs, their insurance and retirement benefits, and their chances to make REAL money and have a REAL retirement, to drive their SUVs and buy 4200 sq foot homes, and to have bragging rights to them. And there is nothing wrong with that, either - but the tradeoff is the centralized overcrowding and the fact that everyone around you is fighting for the same thing.

No, you can't grow food in a desert - so they say. I did it, in NM, but I knew how. It is hard work and takes more labor and commitment but can be done. Most deserts are not the sweeping hills of nothing-but-sand of TV-and-movieland, but have growing things in them; accessible water and growing cycles. Few people who have never lived in a desert know or understand this... The "desert rats" I hung with knew it all too intimately. Mountain rocks are far harder in which to grow things; between the wind and snow and poor soil (or total lack of soil, in some places!) and the difficulty of perching a house on ridges of old lava rock. Still, there are those who do it...

Pigs and cattle and chickens take land. So does a sustainable garden to support a family 12 months out of a year, with canning and dehydrating and preserving. Lots of people grow gardens in their back yard as a supplement to their diet but damn' few can live off of solely what they grow... nor do they WANT to eat only what they can grow. Food production, unlike the daily and always-there city work, depends on the weather and climate and soil and work of the individual. A bad snow might kill off your newborn bedding plants and cost you a couple of hundred dollars as well as p* you off in the city or burbs - but when you are dependent on that for your only food, you die. No one in the city wants to deal with that. As the torrential rains and sudden droughts have decimated China's food production this year, who is going to feed them for the next 12 months? The 10% of the US population over here, that is "taking up" all of that land for crops and cattle. So go ahead with your silly little pipe dream of parceling out land and making everything equitable - because 12 months later the cities would be packed full all over again (except for the people who died trying to make a go of it). Your arguments are mere brain exercises/playtime and mean nothing to the topic at hand.

Abortion is not a way to solve a perceived population problem - and neither is physically pretending to manipulate whole segments of a population to suit some overly bellicose projection of what "should" be. No one's moving, no one's going to grow their own, and no one - as long as we continue to pay for their livelihood from birth to death - is going to stop mindlessly breeding.
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Old 02-22-2009, 05:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by rlchurch Maybe you missed this in biology class, but it is physically impossible for men to become pregnant because they don't have a uterus.
Aren't you the smart one. Now look up "sarcasm" in the dictionary.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:16 AM
 
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Aren't you the smart one. Now look up "sarcasm" in the dictionary.
Iím sorry but when it comes to religious people and their unscientific claims Iíve no idea when theyíre being serious or just sarcastic.
Religious people have claimed way stranger things as men becoming pregnant, because religion isn't based on reality (or science).

But you're right, I am smart.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:56 AM
 
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