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So what you're admitting, KB09, is that there ARE actions women can (theoretically) take that DO increase your risk of sexual assault.
Why yes, in theory. As I said before, simply being alive increases a woman's risk for sexual assault.
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Originally Posted by Omaha Rocks
Now yes, I know that you'll do anything to refuse to agree with me, but you just agreed to EXACTLY what I have been saying all along.
I agree with you previous statement that, in theory, there are actions a women takes that increases her risk for sexual assault, but, I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement that you have been saying that all along. You have been insulting every single person that disagrees with you, throwing words like "man-hater" "hysterical crazies" and such at women and generalizing an entire gender. I could've pulled from the numerous post that illustrate this, but I think I'll just go with the one that stands out the most.
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Now... I'm rather fascinated as to why you absolutely REFUSE to lay any responsibility on the woman. I see that as incredibly hypocritical. If you're not willing to take responsibility for your own actions, then don't expect to be treated as a responsible adult. They go hand in hand.
In essence, you are saying that a woman should be held partly accountable for being sexually assaulted. I'm not spinning your post, nor putting words in your mouth; it is what you said, what you posted, of your own free will.
In essence, you are saying that a woman should be held partly accountable for being sexually assaulted. I'm not spinning your post, nor putting words in your mouth; it is what you said, what you posted, of your own free will.
So you admit that women CAN do things that DECREASE your risk of sexual assault.
And you admit that women CAN do things that INCREASE your risk of sexual assault.
But if a woman is sexually assaulted, it has NOTHING to do with anything she has done or not done?
Why yes, in theory. As I said before, simply being alive increases a woman's risk for sexual assault.
So what you're really saying is that women can do things that either increase or decrease your likelihood of sexual assault, but it's only in theory? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make much sense.
That is a completely separate issue, both of which have been widely discussed in this thread, and relate to each other only by their connection with sexual assault.
One issue is, can a woman reduce her risk of experiencing a sexual event that she does not welcome.
The other issue is, what constitutes consent in a sexual relationship.
Nothing that I have said about one of those topics has any bearing whatsoever on what I might say about the other.
If you have a quarrel with anything I say on one topic, don't try to confound it with what I say on another topic.
So we're all in agreement.
Rape is sexually violating someone without their consent. Sexual intercourse each time requires the consent of both parties. If both parties do not consent, one of the parties is being raped.
There are high-risk behaviors and situations which people can try to avoid in order to minimize their risk of being assaulte, but not all persons who are raped or assaulted are engaged in those behaviors or situations. The victim is not responsible in any way for the actions of the perpetrator(s).
A false accusation is in effect an assault, and should be punished. False accusations have a negative affect on all accusations by creating doubt about the credibility of the victim.
We all agree that false accusations are bad. We all agree that rape and assault are reprehensible. We all agree that both should be punishable. None of us think that all accusations are false, and do think that all accusations should be investigated.
You have been insulting every single person that disagrees with you, throwing words like "man-hater" "hysterical crazies" and such at women and generalizing an entire gender. I could've pulled from the numerous post that illustrate this, but I think I'll just go with the one that stands out the most.
Read their posts - assuming they haven't been deleted.
So you admit that women CAN do things that DECREASE your risk of sexual assault.
And you admit that women CAN do things that INCREASE your risk of sexual assault.
But if a woman is sexually assaulted, it has NOTHING to do with anything she has done or not done?
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Originally Posted by Omaha Rocks
So what you're really saying is that women can do things that either increase or decrease your likelihood of sexual assault, but it's only in theory? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make much sense.
I say in theory because what is the alternative to being alive? Being dead? Okay we'll do that to prevent the risk of sexual assault. The increased risk of sexual assault are so 'duh' that they are disregarded because you'd have to be a vegetable or dead to avoid that increase. There is no alternative to reduce the increased risk of going outside. There is no alternative to reduce the increased risk of talking to a guy. There is no alternative to reduce the increased risk of going to work, sitting in a park, or any other ordinary thing you can think of. The only alternative is death or being stowed away into a facility. Only then can you effectively elliminate some of the increased risks of sexual assault. That is why I say it's in theory.
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
So we're all in agreement.
Rape is sexually violating someone without their consent. Sexual intercourse each time requires the consent of both parties. If both parties do not consent, one of the parties is being raped.
There are high-risk behaviors and situations which people can try to avoid in order to minimize their risk of being assaulte, but not all persons who are raped or assaulted are engaged in those behaviors or situations. The victim is not responsible in any way for the actions of the perpetrator(s).
A false accusation is in effect an assault, and should be punished. False accusations have a negative affect on all accusations by creating doubt about the credibility of the victim.
We all agree that false accusations are bad. We all agree that rape and assault are reprehensible. We all agree that both should be punishable. None of us think that all accusations are false, and do think that all accusations should be investigated.
Is that a summary we can all live with?
I think that's something we can all agree on and living with. Sounds good to me.
I say in theory because what is the alternative to being alive? Being dead? Okay we'll do that to prevent the risk of sexual assault. The increased risk of sexual assault are so 'duh' that they are disregarded because you'd have to be a vegetable or dead to avoid that increase. There is no alternative to reduce the increased risk of going outside. There is no alternative to reduce the increased risk of talking to a guy. There is no alternative to reduce the increased risk of going to work, sitting in a park, or any other ordinary thing you can think of. The only alternative is death or being stowed away into a facility. Only then can you effectively elliminate some of the increased risks of sexual assault. That is why I say it's in theory.
You're saying "in theory" because you don't want to admit what everybody knows - and that is that women CAN do things that increase or decrease your risk of sexual assault.
And it is NOT "in theory" only! It is in real life.
But go ahead and keep trying to spin your way out of admitting the obvious.
Since you seem so hell-bent on refusing to answer the obvious question, let me state it another way: A 20-year old girl has the choice to stay home and watch a movie on TV, or go to a strip club, drink heavily, and party all night.
Which activity increases her risk of sexual assault?
You're saying "in theory" because you don't want to admit what everybody knows - and that is that women CAN do things that increase or decrease your risk of sexual assault.
And it is NOT "in theory" only! It is in real life.
But go ahead and keep trying to spin your way out of admitting the obvious.
*Sigh*
Okay, whatever you say. You win, contragulations; you've suceeded in insulting women in general, spinning post, and mentally wearing down your opposition. Good for you.
There is no alternative to reduce the increased risk of going outside. There is no alternative to reduce the increased risk of talking to a guy. There is no alternative to reduce the increased risk of going to work, sitting in a park, or any other ordinary thing you can think of. The only alternative is death or being stowed away into a facility.
Hogwash!
Are you going to tell me there's no difference in the risk factor if you're walking outside during the middle of the day, as opposed to the middle of the night?
Are you going to tell me there's no difference in the risk factor between talking to a guy you know, in a public place, and talking to some guy you don't know in a dark back alley somewhere?
Are you going to tell me there's no difference in the risk factor between sitting in a park alone at night, or sitting in the park with friends during daylight hours?
Okay, whatever you say. You win, contragulations; you've suceeded in insulting women in general, spinning post, and mentally wearing down your opposition. Good for you.
I'm done.
And you STILL cannot admit that what I'm saying is true. Amazing... And the reason you're "done" is because you're running out of wiggle & spin room.
Bottom line: You CAN increase or decrease your chances of being sexually assaulted. Period. You know it, and so do I. If you lock your doors at night, you're admitting it.
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Good for you. 