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Old 05-14-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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Hogwash!

Are you going to tell me there's no difference in the risk factor if you're walking outside during the middle of the day, as opposed to the middle of the night?

Are you going to tell me there's no difference in the risk factor between talking to a guy you know, in a public place, and talking to some guy you don't know in a dark back alley somewhere?

Are you going to tell me there's no difference in the risk factor between sitting in a park alone at night, or sitting in the park with friends during daylight hours?


You know better than that.
i agree damn straight!!!! just imagine a hot looking girl walking thru a geto at night thats a sure rape in the making..

 
Old 05-14-2009, 02:26 PM
 
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i agree damn straight!!!! just imagine a hot looking girl walking thru a geto at night thats a sure rape in the making..
And even though you did not condone anything, or say that sexual assault or rape is okay, one of these women is sure to come along and accuse you of being a rapist.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 02:36 PM
 
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There are high-risk behaviors and situations which people can try to avoid in order to minimize their risk of being assaulte, but not all persons who are raped or assaulted are engaged in those behaviors or situations. The victim is not responsible in any way for the actions of the perpetrator(s).
Let;s change a few words and see it if still works:


There are high-risk behaviors and situations which people can try to avoid in order to minimize their risk of being killed in a car crash, but not all persons who are killed in a car crash are engaged in those behaviors or situations. (Such as speeding or DUI.) The (drunk or speeding) victim is not responsible in any way for motor vehicle accidents.

Or,


There are high-risk behaviors and situations which people can try to avoid in order to minimize their risk of being in a skiing accident, but not all persons who are in a skiing accident are engaged in those behaviors or situations. The victim is not responsible in any way for skiing accidents.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 02:37 PM
 
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You're saying "in theory" because you don't want to admit what everybody knows - and that is that women CAN do things that increase or decrease your risk of sexual assault.

And it is NOT "in theory" only! It is in real life.

But go ahead and keep trying to spin your way out of admitting the obvious.


Since you seem so hell-bent on refusing to answer the obvious question, let me state it another way: A 20-year old girl has the choice to stay home and watch a movie on TV, or go to a strip club, drink heavily, and party all night.

Which activity increases her risk of sexual assault?

Don't try to spin it. Just answer the question.
Does her engagement in any high-risk behavior in any way excuse the person who assaulted her?

That's the bottom line. Not what she could have done to avoid being assaulted. The what-if's are endless. But does her behavior excuse the behavior of the person assaulting her?
 
Old 05-14-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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1. Does her engagement in any high-risk behavior in any way excuse the person who assaulted her?

That's the bottom line. 2. Not what she could have done to avoid being assaulted. The what-if's are endless. 1. But does her behavior excuse the behavior of the person assaulting her?
1. No. Did I say it did?
2. Are you telling me that there is nothing a woman can do to decrease your risk of being sexually assaulted?


Shoot, we lock the front and back doors of our house at night. Does that give us a 100% guarantee that we won't be robbed? No. Does it decrease the risk? Yes.

So we lock our doors. Seems to make sense to me.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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Let;s change a few words and see it if still works:


There are high-risk behaviors and situations which people can try to avoid in order to minimize their risk of being killed in a car crash, but not all persons who are killed in a car crash are engaged in those behaviors or situations. (Such as speeding or DUI.) The victim is not responsible in any way for motor vehicle accidents.
This is neither logical or valid. When a woman is being assaulted, she is not in command of the vehicle involved in the crash. She is the pedestrian being mowed down by the car.

You are assigning responsibility to the woman for the man's actions. You are absolving him of responsibility, basically saying that some women provoke rapists. Because a man who's been stimulated has to take that stimulation to its conclusion? And the only way to do that is inside her, with or without her consent? Men can't finish the act by themselves?

Rapists don't require a woman to provoke them. They only require a woman to be present when they are provoked. It doesn't matter how skimpily the woman is dressed, or how much she's had to drink. Because the rapist doesn't care if she's naked or in a nun's habit. All he cares about is his ability to address his needs, using her along the way.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 02:54 PM
 
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1. No. Did I say it did?
2. Are you telling me that there is nothing a woman can do to decrease your risk of being sexually assaulted?


Shoot, we lock the front and back doors of our house at night. Does that give us a 100% guarantee that we won't be robbed? No. Does it decrease the risk? Yes.

So we lock our doors. Seems to make sense to me.
#2. I never said anything of the kind. Why exactly do you keep pondering that? Have you read my posts? Yes, Omaha, she can try to minimize her risks, but she'll never eliminate them. I know you agree with that. But even if she does engage in high-risk behavior, it doesn't make her to blame for the man's actions.
 
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Old 05-14-2009, 07:42 PM
 
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