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Old 03-22-2009, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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While it is difficult for me to admit this, I do not believe that parents really fully raise their children on their own. It's impossible do to so.

At the same time, I would say that the school shootings and such are largely the parents' fault.
The Kleybold kid, of Columbine fame, was apparently well raised, had many opportunities, and in fact, may have qualified as "spoiled" by many child-raising standards. But his involvement in brutal video games, and his friendship with the other perp, plus typical un-resolved teenaged "angst" in a rush-rush world, led him to his mis-interpretation of the truths about our world.

Plus, after all, he did become famous, now didn't he? That's important to many kids, esp. those who were bullied in earler years, like he was.

There's ABSOLUTELY never any simple answers, despite claims from the vastly greater understanding of children by the Dutch...
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Old 03-22-2009, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The Kleybold kid, of Columbine fame, was apparently well raised, had many opportunities, and in fact, may have qualified as "spoiled" by many child-raising standards. But his involvement in brutal video games, and his friendship with the other perp, plus typical un-resolved teenaged "angst" in a rush-rush world, led him to his mis-interpretation of the truths about our world.

Plus, after all, he did become famous, now didn't he? That's important to many kids, esp. those who were bullied in earler years, like he was.

There's ABSOLUTELY never any simple answers, despite claims from the vastly greater understanding of children by the Dutch...
The video games need to be restricted and parents need to be given more power to prevent their kids from accessing them.

His parents spoiling him may have actually contributed as well. In addition, his parents should have done a better job of teaching morals.

And I understand there are no simple answers. And I also understand that the Dutch do not understand children better than we do.
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Old 03-22-2009, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The video games need to be restricted and parents need to be given more power to prevent their kids from accessing them.
How much more power does a parent need than simply taking it away - throwing it away - stomping on it?????
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Old 03-22-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How much more power does a parent need than simply taking it away - throwing it away - stomping on it?????
The kid was 17/18 years old IIRC. He likely could have just gone out and bought another one or gone to a friend's house and played it there.

Maybe establishing a national rating system (not a private one, but a government one) and banning sales of certain games to those under the age of 18 would be a good start. That said, I still don't know if I agree with that because I don't want to see more government interference in commerce.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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and yet they bought the bullets at WalMart.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:12 PM
 
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and yet they bought the bullets at WalMart.
IIRC a classmate who had just turned 18 bought the bullets for them.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:38 PM
 
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We have Freedom of Thought in the United States

We have Freedom of Speech in the United States

We have Freedom of Expression in the United States

And yes, we have the FREEDOM to be racist if we want to, in the United States.
Not if you're a hiring manager, or a business owner, or a school teacher....
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Old 03-22-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Not if you're a hiring manager, or a business owner, or a school teacher....
But being "racist" in those situations is not a CRIME
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Old 03-22-2009, 05:43 PM
 
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But being "racist" in those situations is not a CRIME
If you act on it, it is.
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Old 03-22-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If you act on it, it is.
No. It could result in a civil lawsuit or in being fired.
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