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Old 03-25-2009, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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So....are you suggesting that there should be prosecutorial discretion in these cases?
Yes - for those cases where there WAS coercion, threats etc. Where there was NO voluntary consent

 
Old 03-25-2009, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes - for those cases where there WAS coercion, threats etc. Where there was NO voluntary consent
If she was 30 or 40, I'd still think it was disgusting and I'm not saying I think it should be legal. But I fail to see how a girl in her early 20's who is just barely an adult could ever be able to consent to anything with her father.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I will never be able to agree with this, especially when you are talking about a father and daughter. NEVER.

Not to mention the possibility of children which has been mentioned countless times.

If the two people are adults, you have absolutely no right to even as much as pass judgment on what they do in their adult privacy, much less demand that they be imprisoned for it.

If you wish to enact legislation that criminalizes all behavior that could lead to to genetically imperfect children, you are wandering into perilously Hitlerian territory. I bet I'm not the first person that ever told you that.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If the two people are adults, you have absolutely no right to even as much as pass judgment on what they do in their adult privacy, much less demand that they be imprisoned for it.
The state does have the right apparently. Until the Constitution is interpreted differently by a court of law, it does.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I bet I'm not the first person that ever told you that.
Most people do believe these laws need to remain on the books.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The state does have the right apparently. Until the Constitution is interpreted differently by a court of law, it does.
In America, the state has the right (to wit: USA Patriot Act) to do as it pleases, without regard to constitutional rights, privacy, or due process. The question in the OP, let remind you again (and again) was "should" they be prosecuted, not "Can" they be.

A century ago, most people believed miscegenation laws "should" be on the books, too. That did not make them right. It was the "tyranny of the majority".
 
Old 03-25-2009, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In America, the state has the right (to wit: USA Patriot Act) to do as it pleases, without regard to constitutional rights, privacy, or due process. The question in the OP, let remind you again (and again) was "should" they be prosecuted, not "Can" they be.
I am against the Patriot Act, but I don't see any real comparison here. The Constitution allows prosecution for incest. Period. Without violating anyone's constitutional rights or due process. As far as rights, it's not a right. Show me where the Constitution says you have the right to f*** whoever you want. If you don't like it, try to change it.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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If she was 30 or 40, I'd still think it was disgusting and I'm not saying I think it should be legal. But I fail to see how a girl in her early 20's who is just barely an adult could ever be able to consent to anything with her father.
Well, you are of course welcome to this opinion. The only thing I can say though is, she is a highly intelligent woman - wise beyond her years. And, once again - they ARE happy. Please, don't take this to mean that I'm trying to suggest that this would be the case in similar situations.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Most people do believe these laws need to remain on the books.
BTW - ever hear of something called "Jury Nullification"?
 
Old 03-25-2009, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I am against the Patriot Act, but I don't see any real comparison here. The Constitution allows prosecution for incest. Period. Without violating anyone's constitutional rights or due process. As far as rights, it's not a right.
Americans have a right to violate any unjust laws, which is why Blacks don't sit in the back of the bus anymore. The question was not "Should blacks be forced to sit in the back", but "Can they . .?" Just like this question.
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