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Old 03-24-2009, 03:29 PM
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I've always believed that the sound occurs only when it is heard and if there is nothing there to process the signal all you have is sonic waves traveling through the woods like a radio signal without a receiver.
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Old 03-24-2009, 03:36 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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Do you mean, like when the wind blows through the trees the leaves move but don't rustle? Total silence? That would be interesting, though not as delightful as being there to hear all the sounds of nature which, I think, enhance greatly our enjoyment outdoors.

I heard a husband ask his wife, "if I say something and you're not there to hear it, am I still wrong?"
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Old 03-24-2009, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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I've always believed that the sound occurs only when it is heard and if there is nothing there to process the signal all you have is sonic waves traveling through the woods like a radio signal without a receiver.
Sound occurs to a recipient only when the recipient is there, assuming it's between 20 and 20K Hz, from the perspective of a recipient.

But sound does exist, it's just that there is nothing to receive or calibrate it.

The radio receiver receives the signal and calibrates it, selectively. A lot of signals are existent irrespective of whether the receiver is present or not. They will simply not be received.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Ok, here it is. . . the REAL TRUTH!

Sound is a phenomena that occurs when vibrations, carried by air, meet the receptical (ear) designed to detect them. Without BOTH the vibrations and the ear, the thing we call sound cannot exist!
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I've always believed that the sound occurs only when it is heard and if there is nothing there to process the signal all you have is sonic waves traveling through the woods like a radio signal without a receiver.
Finally!!!
Since I hear nothing my husband says I can tell him that technically, I did not receive his signal transmission and therefore, I cannot be accused of ignoring him anymore. All I hear is static.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:11 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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Finally!!!
Since I hear nothing my husband says I can tell him that technically, I did not receive his signal transmission and therefore, I cannot be accused of ignoring him anymore. All I hear is static.
I think I'm starting to hear static also.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Rural Central Texas
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Ok, here it is. . . the REAL TRUTH!

Sound is a phenomena that occurs when vibrations, carried by air, meet the receptical (ear) designed to detect them. Without BOTH the vibrations and the ear, the thing we call sound cannot exist!
so, if I have a recorder setup and record the vibrations created by the tree, carried by the air and listen to it later.....when is the sound created? At the time the tree fell and was recorded, or when I listened to the machine? If not until I listened, then what did the recorder record?



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Old 03-24-2009, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Depends on which definition you use:
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sound

–noun
1. the sensation produced by stimulation of the organs of hearing by vibrations transmitted through the air or other medium.
2. mechanical vibrations transmitted through an elastic medium, traveling in air at a speed of approximately 1087 ft. (331 m) per second at sea level.

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It makes a "sound", Definition 2. but not Definition 1. Not all dictionaries put them in the same order.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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Ok, here it is. . . the REAL TRUTH!

Sound is a phenomena that occurs when vibrations, carried by air, meet the receptical (ear) designed to detect them. Without BOTH the vibrations and the ear, the thing we call sound cannot exist!
Without BOTH the vibrations within human audio frequency and the ear, the thing we call sound cannot exist for the human.

Sound existed even before sound was discovered by humans. We just called it sound.

Wherever vibrations exist, sound does.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:20 PM
 
Location: California
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You guys need to share whatever it is your smoking i remember this conversation when I was young and stoned.
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