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Old 06-09-2009, 02:05 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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When you hear one single American advocating in favor of abolishing private property and replacing it with collective ownership, let me know, and I will be right there with you objecting to that highly improbable radical nutcase. Or, more deservedly, ignoring him.
If I may direct your attention to this one fact - if one fails to pay his real estate tax, is it not true that the government TAKES his property, and auctions it for unpaid taxes?

By the constitution, no private property shall be taken for public use without just compensation. But the government never compensates the owner for property taken for unpaid taxes. Ergo, any property subject to real estate taxes is NOT private property.

I challenge you to provide ONE LAW that levies a tax on private property.
However, you shall find that every state constitution delegates the power to tax ESTATE, which is not private property.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Please read the law... prove me wrong.

Much of this was already covered here.

"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106

"ESTATE - The degree, quantity, nature and extent of interest which a person has in real and personal property. An estate in lands, tenements, and hereditaments signifies such interest as the tenant has therein." - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.547

INTEREST - ...More particularly it means a right to have the advantage of accruing from anything ; any right in the nature of property, but less than title. - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 812

LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the ESTATE in land is another thing, for an ESTATE in land is a time in land or land for a time.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877

PROPERTY TAX - "An ad valorem tax, usually levied by a city or county, on the value of real or personal property that the taxpayer owns on a specified date."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1218

Estate is held with qualified ownership and is subject to being taken for public use.
Private property is held with absolute ownership and is protected from being taken for public use.

If you were misled to believe that estate was synonymous with private property, that is tragic. Please read the law for yourself, and then come back and make disparaging comments.
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Old 06-09-2009, 04:25 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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umm, there is no such thing as true private property in the US

hasnt been for a long long time.
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Old 06-09-2009, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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If I may direct your attention to this one fact - if one fails to pay his real estate tax, is it not true that the government TAKES his property, and auctions it for unpaid taxes?.
So your entire argument is based on your supposition that all forms of taxation are unconstitutional, and therefore the government has no lawful power to take steps to enforce a tax levy. Is that correct?

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Old 06-09-2009, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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umm, there is no such thing as true private property in the US

hasnt been for a long long time.
True. But only by consent of those who enrolled into national socialism and took "the number".
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Old 06-09-2009, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If I may direct your attention to this one fact - if one fails to pay his real estate tax, is it not true that the government TAKES his property, and auctions it for unpaid taxes?.
So your entire argument is based on your supposition that all forms of taxation are unconstitutional, and therefore the government has no lawful power to take steps to enforce a tax levy. Is that correct?
Your entire rebuttal is a deliberate misstatement. Pursuant to the constitution that delegates power to servant government to secure RIGHTS and PRIVATE PROPERTY, only revenue taxable privileges are subject to the government.
For example, the USCON delegates Congress with the power to levy imposts, duties and excise taxes. In short, the privilege to engage in certain occupations, buy foreign made goods, and other non-rights are subject to taxation.
Restating, real estate (or estate) is not private property. Real estate taxes are constitutional, as a tax upon the privilege to hold property with qualified ownership.
Thanks to national socialism (collective ownership abolishes absolute ownership by INDIVIDUALS), duly registered and enumerated Americans do not enjoy their endowment that the founding generation fought and died for.

Pity.
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Who are the people who are hell-bent on abolishing private property, and turning America into a socialist state, which by your definition, is a state in which there is no private property at all at all at all.
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