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Old 04-07-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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Likely dung heaps having been colonized by the French, Dutch or Spanish instead-no offense, but seriously, history speaks for itself of which European colonizing nation left the best legacy.
The British were effective, but honestly, if they were that good, why were people so passionate about becoming independent from their British oppressors?

The US would have been no different, in reality....it's just that German, French or Dutch would have been the main language here, not English. Besides, English-Americans make up a measly 9% of the population. There are actually more Irish-Americans than English-Americans, so perhaps Gaelic should be the US's first language?
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I actually find it funny that English is the language of the US, being as only 9% of the population of the US are "English Americans".
Congo is a French-speaking country. Guess how many of them are French?
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Seabrook, New Hampshire
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Likely dung heaps having been colonized by the French, Dutch or Spanish instead-no offense, but seriously, history speaks for itself of which European colonizing nation left the best legacy.
Absolutely without question. The remnants of the British empire enjoy the highest living standards anywhere in the world. The Brits educated their people better than anyone else. The people of Hong Kong, Canada, New Zealand, the US, Singapore, Australia are the wealthiest people on Earth. The Europeans never really understood economics, didn't believe in democracy or equality. Consequently, their former colonists now live under many of the worst, most corrupt regimes imaginable.
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Eastern time zone
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The northern half of the USA and all of Canada would be French.
Southern part of the USA would be Spanish.
Alaska would be Russian...
This doesn't mean much of a change for Florida...Oh well. Boliche's a good thing.
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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The northern half of the USA and all of Canada would be French.
Southern part of the USA would be Spanish.
Alaska would be Russian...
I guess you forgot about the Dutch colonies that made up Nieuw Netherland?
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Old 04-09-2009, 06:06 AM
 
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I guess you forgot about the Dutch colonies that made up Nieuw Netherland?
No. I just assumed the Netherlands were once part of Napoleon's French empire, that they woulda lost New York at some point...
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Old 04-10-2009, 03:26 AM
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Location: Cushing OK
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As a matter of fact, Spain was already on its way to taxing its empire to death. The Dutch were, in fact, the great naval power of the world at one time, but they taxed themselves to death. So did the French (leading to the French revolution, supported by Jacobites and the remnants of the wealthy Bavarian Illuminati) and the Germans.

In fact, only the British, and to a lesser extent, the Americans, actually try to create a benevolent empire. The Brits protected their colonists, killed VERY few (and usually only on trial for some crime). They invested heavily in their colonies and tried as much as America did to keep the Europeans from colonizing and tyrannizing much of the undeveloped world. The Germans, French, and Spanish simply enslaved all they could, killing anyone who got in their way. The Brits brought the rule of law, construction, schooling, better sanitation, and the highest living standards some of those countries ever enjoyed, even to this day.
Very good point. Look at the post colonial history of North and South America. North America has the fruit of the British system, two governments which came from a system intended to be self governing and most importantly *had* the structure there to begin with.

South America was left with a history of dominance by European interests. There was no structure in place and no tradition to draw on except a thin layer or the uber rich and everyone else. Since the departure of the Europeans, the history in most of South and Central America has been revolution replaced by a new power base eventually replace in a revolution.

Take that away, impose the Spanish model and there would never be a Canada or US. There would never be a superpower who in many ways has molded the last century. This would be a very very different world.
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Old 04-10-2009, 04:24 AM
 
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America

Canada

Australia

New Zealand


What would these countries be like today?

Odds are you wouldn't be here to ask the question.
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Old 04-12-2009, 11:26 AM
 
Location: From Ulster, now in England.
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, English-Americans make up a measly 9% of the population. There are actually more Irish-Americans than English-Americans
Do you in all honesty believe that English-Americans make up 9% of the US population?

Why did you check up on Wikipedia or did you check the 2000 census?

Yet in the 1980 census ,the English were the largest ethnic group almost 50 million, but in the 2000 census they had become a mere 24 million.

did they just vanish?

Maybe they became one of the 100 million Americans who claimed ''other'' American, or southern, white, and even WASP.

3 million English people emigrated to the USA after the revolution.Trivia on People, Races, Ethnicity in the U.S. English Americans Part 2 | Trivia Library

Added to the ''already'' Americans of English decent before the revolution I'd say that 9% is a ridiculous estimate.

As for the ''Irish'' in America, most are infact descensed from my own kin

Ulster Protestants.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:28 AM
 
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In fact, only the British, and to a lesser extent, the Americans, actually try to create a benevolent empire. The Germans, French, and Spanish simply enslaved all they could, killing anyone who got in their way. The Brits brought the rule of law, construction, schooling, better sanitation, and the highest living standards some of those countries ever enjoyed, even to this day.
Tell that to the Native American nations....I don't believe they were treated with any kind of English kid gloves.
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