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What is to be done with those people who are not intelligent enough to earn the academic credentials to enable them to raise a family in dignity?
Are you telling me that at the age of 6 or 7, people assume the degree of adult self-responsibility that if they goof off in school, they are to be held personally accountable for that shortcoming for the rest of their lives, regardless of any other goodness of heart and mind they might some day manifest?
I don't think anyone was talking about 6 or 7 year olds...
We're talking about teenagers who make the choice to drop out of school or who decide that higher education is unnecessary. We're also talking about adults who are unable to get jobs yet don't want to actually go back to school so they can get those jobs.
Last edited by afoigrokerkok; 04-02-2009 at 09:05 PM..
If a kid 6 or 7 fails to utilize the opportunities offered, you hold him personally responsible for his failure to make a better life for himself, and want to deny him any assistance whatsoever, in addition to wanting to deny him/her the right be a parent. You deserve to hang on to everything you can grab, and there is nothing left over from the bounty of this wealthy nation for this person who failed to take personal responsibility for himself at the age of 6 or 7.
If a kid 6 or 7 fails to utilize the opportunities offered, you hold him personally responsible for his failure to make a better life for himself, and want to deny him any assistance whatsoever, in addition to wanting to deny him/her the right be a parent. You deserve to hang on to everything you can grab, and there is nothing left over from the bounty of this wealthy nation for this person who failed to take personal responsibility for himself at the age of 6 or 7.
What on earth are you talking about? No one ever suggested that.
Had a neighbor next street above me who's daughter wanted to be a school teacher. She graduated...got enough units above her BA to start as a substitute etc and then finally full time.
She wanted to teach 1-3rd graders and being bi-lingual felt it would be an asset.
Well...now she is disapointed because of the Dual language in class is okay... but the children do not want to learn (especially the hispanic who speak Spanish at home).
I would imagine this is very common state wide in Calif.
Unrelated to Welfare I know...still a contributing factor.
I think we should restrict (and cut) welfare; both at the bottom AND the top. No more bailout for companies that should die anyway, no more corporate welfare (who abuse it more than anyone on food stamps, disability, etc. do), and we need to levy tough restrictions on welfare.
Nothing like a discussion of welfare to bring out the tyrants disguised as conservatives. Starve the kids to punish the parents. Everybody has to work at a job to make money for the owners. Only the rich can or should buy their freedom. The rest have to work to make the rich free.
Hercules could not clean out this barn even if he diverted the Amazon.
The kids don't need to be starved. That's what voluntary charity is for (as opposed to automatic welfare payments). That's what adoption is for. That's what abortion is for. That's what birth control is for. That's what abstinence from sex is for.
People DO have choices. And the lower we set the bar, the lazier people will become.
Nothing like a discussion of welfare to bring out the tyrants disguised as conservatives. Starve the kids to punish the parents. Everybody has to work at a job to make money for the owners. Only the rich can or should buy their freedom. The rest have to work to make the rich free.
Hercules could not clean out this barn even if he diverted the Amazon.
It's this kind of mentality that has people on the dole for generations.
When will people start taking responsibility for their own kids? IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD THEM, DON'T HAVE THEM. It's not rocket science. Things happen and babies are born, but when they are born intentionally with absolutely no plan except welfare, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM? It isn't society who is punishing the kids, IT'S THEIR OWN D*** PARENTS.
SOCIETY SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IGNORANCE OF ADULTS WHO CHOOSE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX AND NO JOB.
Furthermore, since Mexico views the United States as 'THE LAND OF THE FREE' (meaning free education, free welfare benefits, free housing, free hospital care, free food, free everything), they should do something IN MEXICO to make their own country FREE so they all STAY HOME WHERE THEY BELONG.
It's this kind of mentality that has people on the dole for generations.
When will people start taking responsibility for their own kids? IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD THEM, DON'T HAVE THEM. It's not rocket science. Things happen and babies are born, but when they are born intentionally with absolutely no plan except welfare, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM? It isn't society who is punishing the kids, IT'S THEIR OWN D*** PARENTS.
SOCIETY SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IGNORANCE OF ADULTS WHO CHOOSE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX AND NO JOB.
True...but we do have to do something for the kids to prevent them from growing up and being a part of the same cycle.
The kids don't need to be starved. That's what voluntary charity is for (as opposed to automatic welfare payments). That's what adoption is for. That's what abortion is for. That's what birth control is for. That's what abstinence from sex is for.
People DO have choices. And the lower we set the bar, the lazier people will become.
I'm against abortion...but love the other three things you mentioned. Maybe we need to work at getting these things into their heads.
I think that we should take their kids away, at least in the most extreme circumstances. There would be no reward for continuing to reproduce because they'd know they couldn't use the kids as meal tickets.
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