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Old 04-04-2009, 12:36 AM
 
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She's not selling herself any more than an auto mechanic is selling himself when he fixes a car for money. What they're selling is a service. So why is a man objectifying a woman any more than he objectifies his mechanic? Or does every service transaction necessarily involve the objectification of the person performing the service? And I ask again, why does that objectification only go one way? Is it not objectification to view men as ATMs that dispense money?
Because sex is waaaaaay more intimate & vulnerable than fixing a car.
Prostitution can result in pregnancy, disease, physical abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse, and even death. What other job carries those risks?

Prostitutes do not come from happy backgrounds. They are not well-adjusted people. I really doubt prostitutes think, "hm, should I take the job as a secretary or be a hooker?". It's out of desperation to survive or get drugs/alcohol. Victims seek out the role of victim over & over again because they are not healthy & it's what they know. Allowing prostitution allows these people to continue to be in the victim role.

It isn't a "service transaction" we're talking about either. What a cold and twisted view of sexual relationships between people.
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Old 04-04-2009, 12:51 AM
 
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Some men are just purely evil and they like to force their way in just for the fun of it. So legalization of prostitution will not prevent it at all! Raping women has become a part of the American cultures.
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Old 04-04-2009, 01:01 AM
 
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Some men are just purely evil and they like to force their way in just for the fun of it. So legalization of prostitution will not prevent it at all! Raping women has become a part of the American cultures.
I think, unfortunately, raping is a part of human culture.
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Old 04-04-2009, 01:03 AM
 
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NationMaster - Rapes (per capita) (most recent) by country
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Old 04-04-2009, 01:06 AM
 
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Yes, and this isn't even taking into account prison rapes
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Old 04-04-2009, 01:10 AM
 
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In South Africa, they now have "Correctional Rapes" to "fix" lesbians.

]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/12/eudy-simelane-corrective-rape-south-africa

Talk about some sick sh*t.
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Old 04-04-2009, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Because sex is waaaaaay more intimate & vulnerable than fixing a car.
Prostitution can result in pregnancy, disease, physical abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse, and even death. What other job carries those risks?

Prostitutes do not come from happy backgrounds. They are not well-adjusted people. I really doubt prostitutes think, "hm, should I take the job as a secretary or be a hooker?". It's out of desperation to survive or get drugs/alcohol. Victims seek out the role of victim over & over again because they are not healthy & it's what they know. Allowing prostitution allows these people to continue to be in the victim role.

It isn't a "service transaction" we're talking about either. What a cold and twisted view of sexual relationships between people.
Yes it is a service transaction we're talking about, whether you care to admit it or not. Not every sexual encounter is warm and fuzzy, or even worthy of being called a "relationship." Prostitution is a cold and twisted world, so go ahead and chastise me for having such a "cold and tisted view of sexual relationships between people," because the reduction of the sexual experience to a cold and twisted business transaction is precisely why so many of us find prostitution so revolting. And yes it's a service transaction, irrespective of whether the prostitute comes from a "happy" background or not: Man gets gratification, woman (or sometimes man) gets money. Both parties are exploiting each other's basic human needs to fulfill their own in a business transaction. So I don't want to hear about how it's only women who are being objectified in the process, because it's not.

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Old 04-04-2009, 01:28 AM
 
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Well it's only reported rapes also, so if it runs the same in other parts of the world as it does here, where I think only one in 4 goes reported (?), then the figures are much higher than that. Still I thought it was interesting (and rather telling) that Australia ranked so highly and we do have legalized prostitution here.

I have to wonder where the stats are pulled from though and clearly it's old data that isn't including figures from Amnesty regarding rape as a weapon in war.

I'd be very surprised if one (legalized prostitution) had much, if any, affect on the other (rape statistics).
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:10 AM
 
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Yes it is a service transaction we're talking about, whether you care to admit it or not. Not every sexual encounter is warm and fuzzy, or even worthy of being called a "relationship." Prostitution is a cold and twisted world, so go ahead and chastise me for having such a "cold and tisted view of sexual relationships between people," because the reduction of the sexual experience to a cold and twisted business transaction is precisely why so many of us find prostitution so revolting. And yes it's a service transaction, irrespective of whether the prostitute comes from a "happy" background or not: Man gets gratification, woman (or sometimes man) gets money. Both parties are exploiting each other's basic human needs to fulfill their own in a business transaction. So I don't want to hear about how it's only women who are being objectified in the process, because it's not.
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Because sex is waaaaaay more intimate & vulnerable than fixing a car.
Prostitution can result in pregnancy, disease, physical abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse, and even death. What other job carries those risks?

Prostitutes do not come from happy backgrounds. They are not well-adjusted people. I really doubt prostitutes think, "hm, should I take the job as a secretary or be a hooker?". It's out of desperation to survive or get drugs/alcohol. Victims seek out the role of victim over & over again because they are not healthy & it's what they know. Allowing prostitution allows these people to continue to be in the victim role.

It isn't a "service transaction" we're talking about either. What a cold and twisted view of sexual relationships between people.
You guys are realize that you're coming to the same conclusion but for different reasons, right?

orangeapple doesn't like prostitution because s/he thinks it keeps the prostitutes in a victimized position and Drover because s/he thinks it's a perversion of sex.
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:19 AM
 
Location: Edina, MN, USA
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Rape isn't about sex - it's about power and control over the person. It's about rage and the need to demean the person.
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