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Old 09-05-2009, 09:03 PM
 
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They did declare war on us, but does that mean they were going to attack us? If they didnt, we had no business fighting them.
The German U-boats sank hundreds of ships right off the US East Coast in a few months, beginning January 1942 - look up Operation Drumbeat. For WWII, that counts as pretty much instantaneous response - it took two weeks for the boats simply to cross the Atlantic.
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Old 09-06-2009, 01:59 AM
 
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The German U-boats sank hundreds of ships right off the US East Coast in a few months, beginning January 1942 - look up Operation Drumbeat. For WWII, that counts as pretty much instantaneous response - it took two weeks for the boats simply to cross the Atlantic.
The U.S. was a major supplier of goods to the UK at the time.
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Old 09-06-2009, 09:41 AM
 
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The U.S. was a major supplier of goods to the UK at the time.
True, but operation Drumbeat was in no way limited to ships to/from England. Every freighter off the US coast was at risk, and the well-lit coastline made them easy to pick out.
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:00 AM
 
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True, but operation Drumbeat was in no way limited to ships to/from England. Every freighter off the US coast was at risk, and the well-lit coastline made them easy to pick out.
Which non-European country got involved in the WWI effort against Germany for no reason other than economics?
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Reuben James?
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:11 AM
 
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So someone declares war on you and you'll just sit back until they make the first invasion?

Germany was TAKING OVER the entire European continent. Our allies in Europe were getting absolutely pummelled. The Nazis invaded Russia too. Who knows what would've happened if they tried to take on the superpowers of Russia and the US one at a time instead of simultaneously. They already walked all over Europe.

And maybe its just me but I would say it was good we beat the Nazis...the so-called Aryan nation that thought they were better than all other races. And what they did to Jews was despicable. I would say thats a good enough reason to go to war as any when they were being exterminated.

Seriously, you need to hand in your American citizenship if you do not know why the US was in WWII. I can't believe this is even a debate or question.
Unlike most of Europe, we were protected by our oceans. Any invasion force would have to come to us and could have been spotted and defeated at sea. Germany bombed the heck out of Britain, but never successfully invaded the country.
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:15 AM
 
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The question is interesting. The US was fairly anti-war and neutral on the British, especially since at the time he ruled over an empire with tens of millions of subjugated subjects. At the same time, the vast majority of Americans claimed German ethnicity (still the case although much less so).

Well, let's see. Our allies...

France: their liberation costs tens of thousands of American lives but ironically earned eternal hate for all things American. Also, they are tricky economic rivals who have always shown a willingness to violate international agreements when they might gain an upper hand. France continues to presume its international prestige as if it were 1860, when the French were arguably the most powerful military on earth.

UK: The "special relationship" was due almost wholly to Churchill, and revived by both Thatcher and Blair. Otherwise, the UK politicians really do not like the Americans, not do the British people. Lend-lease, literally the lifeline that is responsible for the existence of both the UK and France and free Europe today went against the will of the American people at the time.

Let's look at our main allies (defined by those at important conferences (Cairo, Yalta, Potsdam) and by the allied military occupation of the Axis lands).

UK & France: Since the end of WW2, the US has involved in some nasty cleaning up of god-awful messes created by both colonial ambitions: Indochina (France); Palestine (UK); rest of Middle East (UK and France). It is amazing that we ever caught up in supporting such embittered "allies."

USSR: Before even the war ended, the new "war" had begun. So much destruction was wrought in the Third World through the Cold War chessmatch. Now? Russia is an unstable enigma, perpetually within one personality of reverting to its autocratic ways.

China/Korea: Mislead by a meglomaniac in Chaing Kai Shek and their pro-Western lobbyists in the US, we naively poured billions into the Nationalists only to see them tear China apart whilst letting the Japanese have their way. All that naive goodwill resulted in a war involving Chinese forces in Korea, where the efforts of the US have resulted in the embitterment of the Koreans toward the US, paralleling the love-hate relationship with the US. Despite China being our only rival in the world, they also have a lot of respect for the US, both in terms of ideals and in terms of power.

But back to Europe. A hard look at European rhetoric, street opinions, and corporate competition today, it is not easy to see any silver lining to the War, other than for a temporary burst to the middle class.

Going forward there appears to be no love lost and as such the moral and ethical reasoning that underpinned our participation in WW2 seems harder to justify ex post.


The Europe that remains the US allies are unfortunately the hardest to reach: Poland & the Czech Republic, who understand full well the consequences of political correctness and spineless policies.

Our allies grow thin. I am all in favor of shifting the focus of the US to Asia and letting Europe twist in the wind. I am also in favor of a new relationship with Latin America, so that the Canadian-US alliance can reap the benefits of 500 million Latin Americans who remain fairly distant.

Yet aside from Poles and Czechs, I wonder why the US should remain a military presence. Let Europe live under the shadow of Mother Russia again and let them resume their tribal warfare. The US benefitted most when Europe was at war with itself, so let them. In fact, raise some trade barriers against the Eurozone to put the same kind of tension on them that we now feel from their anti-Americanism.

Let us rebuild our identity while removing both the umbrella of our military aid and the veil of the special friendship which has been proven to be one of temporal convenience.

Rebuild the US
Integrate with the inevitable: the Asian Pacific economy
Let Europe bear the costs of the existence and remove any pretensions of a friendship long gone.

S.
Do you think the Asian Pacific community like you any better. You are mistaken to think that the people of the UK didn't appreciate the US for saving our bacon in WW2 ..The UK is now sufferering being in the European Community and a lot of people there are wanting to have a referendom on pulling out.We have always had close ties with the US and should remain so.
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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" . . . we'd all be speaking German!"

So Hungarians are all speaking Russian, and Koreans are all speaking Japanese, and Ethiopians are all speaking Italian? We won WWII, so the Germans and Japanese are now all speaking English.
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Old 09-07-2009, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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The U.S. was a major supplier of goods to the UK at the time.
Neutrals are guaranteed right of free passage under international law. We were also supplying goods to the Germans at the time.
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Old 09-07-2009, 02:07 PM
 
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Which non-European country got involved in the WWI effort against Germany for no reason other than economics?
What in the name of all that's holy does WWI have to do with it?
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