Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
What unadulterated crap. The Japanese attacked us. .
No they didn't. They attacked islands that the US took by force and claimed, and that by geography, the Japanese had an equal right to. They attacked no civilians or civilian-occupied areas. They attacked no part of the integral United States of America. They attacked purely military assets that existed for the sole purpose of militarily threatening the Japanese presence in the Pacific.
The Hawaiian Islands were US territory only because Sanford Dole staged a revolution, stripped the native Hawaiians of democratic representation in their homeland, formed an autocracy of American millionaires, and handed the islands over to the USA. If Dole had been Japanese, Pearl Harbor would have been Japanese in the first place.
No. We dropped bombs on Japan because the war would've dragged on for much much longer. Japan had no intention of giving up even though they knew they were going to lose. They were going to take down as many soldiers as they could before it all went down in flames. Dropping those bombs just stopped the another million that would have been lost if we had kept fighting; hardly were we trying to show Russia what great huge balls we had.
This is the only thing you said that you're wrong about. The Japanese were looking for a way to surrender in July, 1945, which was known to Truman. Their sole request was that we wouldn't kill their Emperor. We didn't kill him anyway, but to prove we could if we wanted, we incinerated an extra 120,000 civilians. Great man, Truman.
No they didn't. They attacked islands that the US took by force and claimed, and that by geography, the Japanese had an equal right to. They attacked no civilians or civilian-occupied areas. They attacked no part of the integral United States of America. They attacked purely military assets that existed for the sole purpose of militarily threatening the Japanese presence in the Pacific.
The Hawaiian Islands were US territory only because Sanford Dole staged a revolution, stripped the native Hawaiians of democratic representation in their homeland, formed an autocracy of American millionaires, and handed the islands over to the USA. If Dole had been Japanese, Pearl Harbor would have been Japanese in the first place.
I can't believe there are actually people who don't know this. Or who don't know the even more disgusting facts about the U.S. in the Phillipines. Does it never occur to these idiots to ask the question, what were we doing way out there to f***ing begin with?
What unadulterated crap. The Japanese attacked us. There is no spin that you can put on that to make a ****-ants worth of difference. Until that point we were officially neutral in the conflict. You're right it isn't debatable. To assert otherwise is just bunk.
Mentioning that Smith spat in Jones' eye before Jones punched Smith is not "spin", it's a material fact.
No they didn't. They attacked islands that the US took by force and claimed, and that by geography, the Japanese had an equal right to. They attacked no civilians or civilian-occupied areas. They attacked no part of the integral United States of America. They attacked purely military assets that existed for the sole purpose of militarily threatening the Japanese presence in the Pacific.
The Hawaiian Islands were US territory only because Sanford Dole staged a revolution, stripped the native Hawaiians of democratic representation in their homeland, formed an autocracy of American millionaires, and handed the islands over to the USA. If Dole had been Japanese, Pearl Harbor would have been Japanese in the first place.
Wow, we deserved bombing because we were a colonial power too? Regardless of that, I see that you do acknowledge that the Japanese attacked us. That is an act of war under international law.
Originally Posted by Tin Knocker ::: Germany declared war on us immediately upon hearing we had declared war on Japan. Kinda hard to say we had no business fighting them. I'm always saddened by the lack of historical knowledge alot of Americans exhibit.
------------
If a petty bully in some central African country declares war on the US, does that oblige us to go over there and create a fire-storm in one of their cities? Or can we just take note of their belligerence and think about what we'd do if their warships turned up off our shores? Man, it sure would be easy to sucker you into a bar-room brawl.
Hitler was a petty bully? While I generally do not advocate getting involved in other folks business I think Hitler was a worthwhile exception.
The fact is he was taking over the countries of several of our friends & pretty much conquering Europe.
Its not easy to get me into a fight. But a good way would be to start beating my friends to a pulp & threatening me.
No they didn't. They attacked islands that the US took by force and claimed, and that by geography, the Japanese had an equal right to. They attacked no civilians or civilian-occupied areas. They attacked no part of the integral United States of America. They attacked purely military assets that existed for the sole purpose of militarily threatening the Japanese presence in the Pacific.
The Hawaiian Islands were US territory only because Sanford Dole staged a revolution, stripped the native Hawaiians of democratic representation in their homeland, formed an autocracy of American millionaires, and handed the islands over to the USA. If Dole had been Japanese, Pearl Harbor would have been Japanese in the first place.
Alot of if's there. The FACT is they attacked it knowing full well it was American territory. How current political entities came to be has little bearing in this discussion. By your logic we should have been involved from day one because we are an offshoot of British colonialism & won our independence in part due to French help.
We entered WW2 because it became obvious that to NOT be involved was to let the world pretty much collapse.
A common refrain I often hear, regarding our participation in WWII is, "It's a good thing we went to Europe and defeated the National Socialists, or else we'd all be speaking German!"
As opposed to speaking non-Castilian Spanish? How is that any better? And how is it that being invaded by people from nations to the south any better than being invaded by Germans? Are Germans notorious for destroying health care systems, educational systems, public assistance programs, etc.?
There were many in the USA who favored entering the war on the side of the German and Italian fascists because Hitler and Mussolini were such staunch enemies of the Communists and Socialists. The Nazi's held large rallies in Madison Square Garden and similar venues to packed houses. This popular sentiment was also strong in Britain, but probably strongest in France. Big names like Rockefeller, Getty, Morgan. Ford, Bush and Kennedy sold industrial goods to the Germans, especially petroleum, throughout the lend-lease program, right up until Pearl Harbor. A lot of this was driven by their fear of Labor Unions, and Wage and Hour proposals like the 40 hour work week and the minimum wage. There was also the usual pairing of anti-socialism with anti-semitism.
It's very similar thinking to what went on in the 1970's where the CIA at the direction of people like Zbigniew Brzezinski fanned the flames of Islamic fundamentalism in the Arab countries bordering the Soviet Union, again believing that the best antidote for a Socialist was a Fascist.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
