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Old 04-08-2009, 01:08 AM
 
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A common refrain I often hear, regarding our participation in WWII is, "It's a good thing we went to Europe and defeated the National Socialists, or else we'd all be speaking German!"

As opposed to speaking non-Castilian Spanish? How is that any better? And how is it that being invaded by people from nations to the south any better than being invaded by Germans? Are Germans notorious for destroying health care systems, educational systems, public assistance programs, etc.?

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Old 04-08-2009, 02:11 AM
 
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Why was the US in WWII? The same reason we were in WWI. To defend democracy and freedom. We helped Britain and what was left of the useless French beat the Kaiser in the teens, made them de-militarize, but they were stung and embarrased enough to re-militarize and come back 20 years later. Hitler was pissed and crazy enough to have the French sign their surrender in the same railcar in which Germany had signed their WWI surrender. You can say what you want about the French, though, that they just always bent over for the Germans, but if it wasn't for the French, there never would have been a United States. When Hitler started taking over Eastern Europe, we figured "what is he gonna do cross the Atlantic to get us?" We had as isolationist stance, meanwhile, Chamberlain was getting very nervous, since he was the last domino staring down the barrel of the shotgun. As Hitler gobbled up more and more of Europe, forming pacts with Italy and Japan, signing non-agression treaties with Russia, we stood by and nothing. All we did at that point was Lend-Lease with Britain sending them supplies that we could get past the Wolf-packs. Meanwhile, we had backed Japan into a corner by cutting off their oil, along with other embargoes. They figure what the hell, let's take out their Pacific Fleet and we can do what we need without fear of retaliation. Little did they know they were kicking a sleeping giant. Was Pearl Harbor the greatest sneak in military history, or did FDR have access to the broken diplomatic codes of Japan? Did he use the attack to rouse the country and get them in the fight? Looks that way. Was it necessary to sacrifice 3000+ military personnel? Probably. The next day how many men went out and enlisted? The country moved, and between June 6, 1944 and may 8, 1945 VE Day and August 15, 1945 VJ Day we saved the world. How come our fathers and grandfathers could conquer from the French coast to Berlin and from Hawaii to Japan in 14 months against the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe, some of the most incredible pieces of destructive engineering known to man up to that point and the endless hordes of small yellow suicidal men? How come it has taken 8 years to not catch one man hiding in caves on the Pakistani side of the border? We shouldn't offend the Pakistanis? But, I digress....... We even had the time to show those Godless Commies what a set of balls we have by dropping two atom bombs on Japan, even though they were screaming for a surrender. The only thing they wouldn't agree to was an unconditional surrender, whereby their emperor would no longer be. We sure showed them. Anyway, to answer your question, we were in WWII to preserve freedom and our way of life. Thank you to anyone who has read this and did their part. Gotta love that History Channel.
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Old 04-08-2009, 03:50 AM
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Moved from immigration. I belive this might be a good topic for a debate.
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Old 04-08-2009, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Norwood, MN
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A common refrain I often hear, regarding our participation in WWII is, "It's a good thing we went to Europe and defeated the National Socialists, or else we'd all be speaking German!"

As opposed to speaking non-Castilian Spanish? How is that any better? And how is it that being invaded by people from nations to the south any better than being invaded by Germans? Are Germans notorious for destroying health care systems, educational systems, public assistance programs, etc.?

I agree we had no business fighting the Germans in WW2. The Japanese, yes, they invaded us, but we had no quarrel with the Germans.
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Old 04-08-2009, 05:36 AM
 
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Because of Pearl Harbor.

AND THANK GOODNESS the US did enter the war.

The Pacific would be a completely different place now had they not.
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Old 04-08-2009, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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I agree we had no business fighting the Germans in WW2. The Japanese, yes, they invaded us, but we had no quarrel with the Germans.

No business fighting the Germans??? You didn't care if they wanted to exterminate whole races of people starting with the Jews?
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:01 AM
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I agree we had no business fighting the Germans in WW2. The Japanese, yes, they invaded us, but we had no quarrel with the Germans.
We didn't have a choice. Japan and Germany were allies. They were allies by convience, and should they have won the next war would have been between them, but declaring war on Japan made the declaration of war on Germany automatic.

And we were already fighting the Germans. There was lend lease. There was the actual battles in the atlantic with submarine war which came before war was ever declared. And we simply could NOT let Hitler have his way.

Its believed 12 million people of various undesirable status were coldly and within a system murdered because they were not acceptable. This was an evil thing we did know about though not publically. We simply made the choice to fight the war and end it by winning. What if we had remained an island and Hitler had taken England? What about us?

Once we entered the war, the Germans were doomed. We could continue to pour out resources against two enemies while both of them were running out. We did save the world from a dark age.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:32 AM
 
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A common refrain I often hear, regarding our participation in WWII is, "It's a good thing we went to Europe and defeated the National Socialists, or else we'd all be speaking German!"

As opposed to speaking non-Castilian Spanish? How is that any better? And how is it that being invaded by people from nations to the south any better than being invaded by Germans? Are Germans notorious for destroying health care systems, educational systems, public assistance programs, etc.?

This is so ignorant that I am surprised a moderator did not just delete the thread. The ignorance of this statement offends me and I am neither German nor Mexican. If I understand your point, you are saying we should have just let the Germans win because now we are being conquered by Mexicans? thats retarded and you disrespect all those who fought and died in order to stop that mass murdering F*** head known as Hitler. You are saying what they did was for nothing. I wonder if you would say that to a WWII vet??

Are you honestly comparing a mass murdering war machine that systematically murdered people to a bunch of illegal immigrants?? You do not see any difference? Either you do not know what the Germans were like or I have no idea just how bad the Mexicans are, but I am betting its the former rather than the latter.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Is this thread an example or an exception of Godwin's law?
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:24 AM
 
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This is so ignorant that I am surprised a moderator did not just delete the thread. The ignorance of this statement offends me and I am neither German nor Mexican. If I understand your point, you are saying we should have just let the Germans win because now we are being conquered by Mexicans? thats retarded and you disrespect all those who fought and died in order to stop that mass murdering F*** head known as Hitler. You are saying what they did was for nothing. I wonder if you would say that to a WWII vet??

Are you honestly comparing a mass murdering war machine that systematically murdered people to a bunch of illegal immigrants?? You do not see any difference? Either you do not know what the Germans were like or I have no idea just how bad the Mexicans are, but I am betting its the former rather than the latter.
It sounds great to say that we fought in the name of freedom and democracy to stop a maniacal mass-murderer, but I don't think that was necessarily the case. Global conflicts do not arise from simple ideology or "right and wrong" (if Germany had succeeded in dominating Europe, how wrong would they be judged to have been today?), these conflicts arise over economy.

The European nations were good trading partners for the U.S. in the mid 20th century and allowing Germany to control all of the European ports, all of the European arable lands, all of the Russian raw materials, all of the Mediterranean shipping routes, all of the middle Eastern and African raw materials, etc. etc. would have been disastrous for the American economy. Couple this with the Japanese controlling all of Asia and the Pacific islands and we would have been completely isolated. It would only have been a matter of time before a concerted effort was made to invade the lower 48.

That was unacceptable. If we had really been interested in stopping mass-murder, we wouldn't have delayed the invasion of the European mainland. As long as the Germans were bogged down in an enormously costly land campaign with the Russians, we were able to mass forces on the British isles and bleed the German navy and airforce while destroying their industry through strategic bombing. It wasn't until it appeared that the Russians would control all of Europe that D-Day became a necessity.

And don't forget about that bit of unpleasantness in the Pacific. This was a different animal from the European theater. It was a race war, a war of extermination and was incredibly brutal in its intensity. The Japanese really had no chance of defeating the United States and attacked out of desperation when we stopped selling them oil. That was all the justification we needed to wipe them off the map.

Be careful slinging the word "ignorant" around.
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