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Old 05-22-2009, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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oh so its the males versus the females on this post
It's always been the males versus the females. The males, who own the media and the health industries and the government, blame the females for daring to demand input on matters of reproduction. The same males who refuse to get vasectomies, but offer a wide spectrum of invasive, mechanical, chemical and behavioral methods by which women can evade conception.
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Old 05-23-2009, 02:45 AM
 
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I am always amused at these alarmist "overpopulation threads". I have not seen anyone yet that has said that (they) are willing to "take one for the planet". That would be someone who really believes in this nonsense!
Go park your arse in new delhi or parts of africa and asia and then see if you still think it is nonsense that there is overpopulation
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Old 05-23-2009, 09:09 AM
 
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Go park your arse in new delhi or parts of africa and asia and then see if you still think it is nonsense that there is overpopulation
The world is only overpopulated if a few keep the wealth all for themselves, and force so many to live in crowded cardboard boxes, fighting off the chickens for the scraps in the street.

I've parked my arse in almost every overpopulated country in the world. There is plenty of open spaces in those countries. Most of the people are doing OK---they are not starving, they are clothed and sheltered.

The per-capita GDP of the whole world is $6.500 per year. Everybody in the world can live with dignity on $500 a month, but they are not allowed to, because they have no control over the maldistribution of the wealth, and half the people are forced to live on less than $100 a month (many les than $100 a year) while you watch your 48-inch plasma screen TV with 700 channels that you so richly deserve because you were born in a country where every person is guaranteed a million dollars in a lifetime (three times the global average) without ever doing a day's work. And two million for doing a modicum of simple, unskilled work. Americans pay more in credit card interest and late fees than the entire GDP of Thailand or Iran.

The world produces enough wealth for every person now alive to live in a household with enough income to assure decent food, shelter, health and dignity. There are countries in which the total personal possessions of the entire population adds up to less than what will be set out this morning in American yard sales. And you dare to say the problem is there are too many people.

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Old 05-23-2009, 11:50 AM
 
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The world produces enough wealth for every person now alive to live in a household with enough income to assure decent food, shelter, health and dignity.
I do not know what planet you're one, but "wealth" is not some nebulous abstraction nor can it be magically "distributed".

Prosperity is based on surplus production of goods and services, trade of that surplus, and the time to enjoy that surplus.

If someone comes along and forcibly "distributes" it (steals it from the producer), it's not moral.

Equitable trade of that surplus is what is needed. That means you have to beware of the illusion of money tokenism and usury. Money is an accounting system, an abstraction and a medium of exchange for the reality in the marketplace. You can't just "distribute money" and solve poverty and inequity.

The huge number of non-productive parasites (i.e. usurers, bureaucrats and socialist leaders) are ever growing, demanding that the "little guy" pay more and more... or else!

Frankly, that's nothing less than slavery - laboring for the benefit of someone else.

Don't fall for their heifer dung.
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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If someone comes along and forcibly "distributes" it (steals it from the producer), it's not moral.
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That's already happened. That's why babies born next to you in your maternity ward all grew up to have new SUVs, and babies born in Karachi didn't. Someone came along and forcibly distributed it.

What do you think the Viet Nam war was about. Freedom? hahahahahahahahahaha. It was about whether giant multinational corporations or socialist states would have access to the cheap human labor resources of southeast Asia. It was a distribution of wealth, and it was done "forcibly", by "someone who came along".

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Old 05-25-2009, 02:58 AM
 
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The world is only overpopulated if a few keep the wealth all for themselves, and force so many to live in crowded cardboard boxes, fighting off the chickens for the scraps in the street.

I've parked my arse in almost every overpopulated country in the world. There is plenty of open spaces in those countries. Most of the people are doing OK---they are not starving, they are clothed and sheltered.

The per-capita GDP of the whole world is $6.500 per year. Everybody in the world can live with dignity on $500 a month, but they are not allowed to, because they have no control over the maldistribution of the wealth, and half the people are forced to live on less than $100 a month (many les than $100 a year) while you watch your 48-inch plasma screen TV with 700 channels that you so richly deserve because you were born in a country where every person is guaranteed a million dollars in a lifetime (three times the global average) without ever doing a day's work. And two million for doing a modicum of simple, unskilled work. Americans pay more in credit card interest and late fees than the entire GDP of Thailand or Iran.

The world produces enough wealth for every person now alive to live in a household with enough income to assure decent food, shelter, health and dignity. There are countries in which the total personal possessions of the entire population adds up to less than what will be set out this morning in American yard sales. And you dare to say the problem is there are too many people.
Since the year 2000 when humanity reached 6000,000,000 people in just 9 years another 790,062,216 humans and counting have joined the equation which is roughly

80,000,000 new people every year
or 6,666,666 new people per month
or 222,222 new people born every day
or 9259 new people born each hour
or 154 new people born each minute
or 2.5 new people born each second on planet earth
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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That's already happened. That's why babies born next to you in your maternity ward all grew up to have new SUVs, and babies born in Karachi didn't. Someone came along and forcibly distributed it.
Such sweeping generalizations are inaccurate at best, and insulting at least.
There are millions of poor babes in America, too.

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What do you think the Viet Nam war was about. Freedom? hahahahahahahahahaha. It was about whether giant multinational corporations or socialist states would have access to the cheap human labor resources of southeast Asia. It was a distribution of wealth, and it was done "forcibly", by "someone who came along".
A. There was no declared war re: Viet Nam.
B. Due to the State of Emergency, declared in 1933, by FDR, and renewed by each sitting president, the President can send troops without a congressional declaration of war, as required by Article 1, Section 8, of the U.S. Constitution.
C. Since 1935, the USA has been a socialist nation via FICA.
D. Ergo, the unWar in Viet Nam was a turf battle between factions of socialism (U.S. versus Chinese (Maoist) and Russian (Leninist) style) - the "communists" have never achieved communism, merely socialism.
E. Socialist Paupers cannot own anything unless permitted by their master, the State. Stop paying your socialist taxes, and see who takes your property and liberty from you.
F. Those who live under the law of the jungle believe they are righteous when they prey upon us.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Such sweeping generalizations are inaccurate at best, and insulting at least.
There are millions of poor babes in America, too.



A. There was no declared war re: Viet Nam.
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The millions of poor babies in the USA are all virtually guaranteed a million dollars during their lifetime, in wages and/or benefits. ($1,000 a month to the expected age of 80). Any stiff whose body is warm enough to be a WslMart greeter will make nearly a million in a lifetime.

Convince me that killing a million or so Vietnamese is not applying force, because the massacre was not f***ing declared????????????????????????????? After that gem,, I'll just skip your other points.

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Old 05-26-2009, 05:54 PM
 
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Bottom line: If the world is over-populated today, there will be fewer of us tomorrow. That is the biological definition of "over-population".
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Old 05-27-2009, 07:06 AM
 
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Bottom line: If the world is over-populated today, there will be fewer of us tomorrow. That is the biological definition of "over-population".

Thing you refuse to acknowledge is that we are working real hard to defeat biology & its limitations. Your point about the hungry in Africa is proof of it.
Very few other places offer such obvious evidence of overpopulation.
The biological definition of overpopulation has nothing to do with mortality. Its simply an environments ability to provide for a population of organisms.
We are probably much more over populated than most of Africa. If you doubt it then try not buying food, just go get you some from your environment.
If you cant you should die, speaking from a biological viewpoint.
If we feed the deer that overbrowsed their environment they will live, but they will still be overpopulated. Populations in sync with their environments dont need to have food brought to them. The fact we do is plenty enough for any intelligent open minded person to realize we are definitely overpopulated.

At some point it will tip & you will get the proof you need in the form of huge die off's, we cannot ignore the reality of nature forever. It is a shame that so many folks can mistake our manipulation of everything as proof there arent to many of us.
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