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Old 04-15-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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I signed up online for a promotional free NRA membership three weeks ago, and I have not heard from them yet. I'm trying to be patriotic. I wanna put their sticker in my car window, so the police won't harass me, and will just give me warnings for infractions.

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"so the police won't harass me,"

Have to police harassed you?
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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"so the police won't harass me,"

Have to police harassed you?
Yup.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Default What is "Patriotism"? No, I mean REALLY?

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I don't think that patriotism is the sham. It's the labeling of people who challenge the government as un-patriotic that's the sham. In a country founded on the principle of patriots challenging government.


Artificial patriotism - that mindless spouting of "My Country, right or wrong!" is what has contributed to the downfall of many countries. Supporting imperialism has brought many a country to its knees. Denying the rights of the people who protest a government's machinations is the first step to imperialism.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I used to consider myself a patriot. Now I just try to survive and increasingly segregated society and economy while not being on the prosperous side ot the split. I have seen my country stolen by the rich and corrupt and no longer consider it worth supporting.

I may change my mind if some of Obama's policies are actually put in place. Until then I'll just wait.
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Now, after the Tea Party, even Bill O'Reilly is a staunch advocate of the patriotic responsibility of the citizenry to rise up and openly and publicly protest the government in large visible gatherings. Has anybody ever so outrageously screamed "I am a hypocrite!"?
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Artificial patriotism - that mindless spouting of "My Country, right or wrong!" is what has contributed to the downfall of many countries. Supporting imperialism has brought many a country to its knees. Denying the rights of the people who protest a government's machinations is the first step to imperialism.
Most of contemporary patriotism is a sham, it's hollow. Those who consider themselves as patriots are Right wingers, interested in demanding that their likes and dislikes should be the rules by which all will abide, or else! What are the concerns of patriots? Guns, anti-abortion, anti-intellectual, suppressing minorities, promoting war, and obedience.
So, being a patriot means not questioning anything from the Right, and being easily led by the nose by the Right. The patriots insist that only they are right about everything all the time, that everyone who disagrees is always wrong and anti-American, and should be treated as dirt.
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:59 PM
 
Location: In a house
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What are The Patriotic Responsibilities of Citizenship?

Be careful. Whatever you say, must be applicable to everyone, no matter what country they live in. Same responsibilities for Americans, Iranians, Belgians, Peruvians, Samoans, everybody.

Sorry, it simply doesn't work that way. Different cultures & societies place different levels of responsibility on the people & govts.

Your patriotic responsibilities in a dictatorship or fundamentalist country are to do exactly as you are told.

In a free society its usually to preserve or perpetuate the current political climate. In the USA its clearly to support the respect for & observance of the rights of the people as put down in the constitution. It may or may not be patriotic to support the gov't in any given situation but it is always unpatriotic to support the denial of one groups rights in order to make another group happy, in the USA.

I cant rightly say whats patriotic in a socialist state. Patriotism in such a society seems unpatriotic.
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Old 04-19-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Most of contemporary patriotism is a sham, it's hollow. Those who consider themselves as patriots are Right wingers, interested in demanding that their likes and dislikes should be the rules by which all will abide, or else! What are the concerns of patriots? Guns, anti-abortion, anti-intellectual, suppressing minorities, promoting war, and obedience.
So, being a patriot means not questioning anything from the Right, and being easily led by the nose by the Right. The patriots insist that only they are right about everything all the time, that everyone who disagrees is always wrong and anti-American, and should be treated as dirt.
You must be addled. Abortion is legal. Thats water under the bridge. I'm conservative & I support your right to kill your babies before they are born.

The clear fact is that most all restrictive legislation comes from the left. Even you, parroting antigun barf like it makes you look like less of an idiot are looking to bend others to your will. I'v never seen any conservative politician try to force you to own a gun, even though acording to current federal law that not even the liberal wankers try to repeal you are very likely a member of the unorganized militia. Yet you would treat anybody who values their right to a gun as if their right did not exist, as if they were dirt. That, my friend, is as unpatriotic & unAmerican as you can get.
But I still support your right to have an opinion based on childish unsupportable emotional drivel, Its valuable to let people expose their shortcomings openly.
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:22 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
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One is about ideas, and the other is about territory.
Aren't things like territory and nations nothing but ideas also?


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It may or may not be patriotic to support the gov't in any given situation but it is always unpatriotic to support the denial of one groups rights in order to make another group happy, in the USA.
Are you saying that it was unpatriotic for white Americans in the 1950's to agree with their black countrymen that they should get equal citizenship?
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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One is about ideas, and the other is about territory.

Aren't things like territory and nations nothing but ideas also?
Actually this is an interesting point that deserves discussion. Territories are usually bounded by some geographical restraints or occupy a space that is remote from another. This gives the inhabitants a commonality that nationhood does not always do, sometimes tragically.

As such, a "territory" might have a greater claim to the patriotism of its inhabitants than a "nation", since the people of a territory are bound together by a natural enclosure, whereas people of a nation have, as often as not, been bound together involuntarily as the spoils of war. A person in Guiana or Hiawaii or Scotland might have a more compelling argument for defense of that "territory" as an article of patriotism, than for the country within which it politically has been colnsigned.
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