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Old 05-08-2009, 10:12 PM
 
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Sorry, but you are dreaming the impossible dream. People look for ways to separate themselves from the pack; be it color, race, religion, whatever. Let a man raised in the orthodox Jewish faith bring home an Irish Catholic, or a Chinese man bring home a Germanic blonde, or a Mormon bring home a Voodoo priestess or Wiccan, to meet the folks, and the S will HTF. Doesn't matter if the intended is the "perfect mate" - these things play an important role in culture and separation. They are politically, socially,and religiously encouraged by leaderships who want THEIR particular group to remain 'pure' and uncorrupted.

And, guess what? There is nothing wrong with feeling that way - as long as it doesn't tread on the rights of each individual to choose - a spouse, a mate, a way of life, or their own behavior, life, and future. Killing someone, impoverishing someone, or even harassing someone for makng their own decisions is what we should be opposed to - you can't stop 'feelings', or the very emotional desire to keep the pack separate. Pretending that we could all live happily together, with the same feelings, emotions, belief structures, and cultures is purest fantasy - or purest (and unattainable) socialism.


What a great post. Youre right. I grew up on Long Island and the people that talked the biggest game in regards to diversity and acceptance were the biggest hypocrites. Many of my Jewish friends' parents often spoke of acceptance and diversity religiously. They spoke of being a tolerant people with pride.. But yet God forbid if their child brought home someone that wasnt Jewish. They would more or less disown their children and treat his/her significant other like dirt.
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Old 05-09-2009, 02:22 PM
 
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I agree. Many who would consider themselves "enlightened" on race tend to suffer from a NIMBY stipulation complex, i.e., "I'll tolerate you....from afar". The way I see it, the truest sign of racial equality will come when a son or daughter no longer has to worry about being ostracized or disowned by the family for bringing someone home of a different race.
I'm smelling some self-hate.

I dunno where you're coming from, but if you need white people to validate yourself, then in all actuality, you've lost the game. So what if daddy throws a hissy fit, as long as he doesn't get in the way, then why stress?

I am in 100% agreement with SCGranny on this issue. Weither it's the Madoff's at the top or street thugs on the bottom, everyone has an excuse as to why the rules shouldn't apply to them.

People are haters, so let them rot in their ish.
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Old 05-09-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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Overreacting to someone's race is just as bad as ignoring it. There's nothing wrong with recognizing diversity. It should be celebrated, actually.
I'll agree with you on recognizing race in a general/neutral approach. But what has recognizing "diversity" has done for this country, especially the State we both live in, except for creating more language barriers and racial strife to the point that I'm looking at states like North Carolina and Texas as better examples of race relations! (not to say they haven't progressed in the realm of race relations)

IMO, multiculturalism and diversity are 1/3 of the source behind racism still being prevalent. Instead, how about concentrating on integration and assimilation (given that the host people welcome the minority group - which granted most people in our State has done anything but). If you don't believe that it works, just cross the Potomac River and compare race relations between there and our state.

As for the original subject, I wholly agree that racism should have been a past issue after the 1990's, but the situation in the region where I currently reside in with people of privilege finding any method to hold their "advantage" while the lower class acting like the stereotypes and the immigrants sucking up to the majority by using the underrepresented minorities as scapegoats, ridding of racism in certain parts of the country is more of an uphill battle, compared to the downhill stroll other regions of this country have of just getting educated Blacks, Asians, Latinos, and immigrants to learn about local customs and assimilate.

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Old 05-09-2009, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Bayou City
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I'm smelling some self-hate.

I dunno where you're coming from, but if you need white people to validate yourself, then in all actuality, you've lost the game. So what if daddy throws a hissy fit, as long as he doesn't get in the way, then why stress?

I am in 100% agreement with SCGranny on this issue. Weither it's the Madoff's at the top or street thugs on the bottom, everyone has an excuse as to why the rules shouldn't apply to them.

People are haters, so let them rot in their ish.
Talk about missing the mark...badly.

My point was that people will be quick to give you lip service to racial equality, but the truest test of tolerance always comes when they are faced with the decision to stand by their lip service and accept one of a different race as "one of their own". Of course they have a "right" not to, but then their children likewise have a right to rebel against their bigotry for the sake of what's right for them. Unfortunately, too many are easily dissuaded from such an approach by the threat of ostracism and blindly follow the status-quo.
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Old 05-09-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: N of citrus, S of decent corn
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I think humans are genetically programed to need to look down on somebody. Although we are about a generation away from wiping out racism against African Americans, I suppose we'll replace that with an ingrained distrust of some other culture of people.
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Old 05-09-2009, 05:15 PM
 
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Talk about missing the mark...badly.

My point was that people will be quick to give you lip service to racial equality, but the truest test of tolerance always comes when they are faced with the decision to stand by their lip service and accept one of a different race as "one of their own". Of course they have a "right" not to, but then their children likewise have a right to rebel against their bigotry for the sake of what's right for them. Unfortunately, too many are easily dissuaded from such an approach by the threat of ostracism and blindly follow the status-quo.
I agree actually, but at the same time, let's face it, it will always be here. And just becuase someone opens their hearts to another race, doesn't necessarily mean they like everything about them. A white/asian person could go out with Tyra Banks/Tye Diggs, and still be upset over baggy-pants black kids at the mall. It's all relative.

I don't see where you're in disagreement anything that's already been stated.
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Old 05-09-2009, 05:16 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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I think humans are genetically programed to need to look down on somebody. Although we are about a generation away from wiping out racism against African Americans, I suppose we'll replace that with an ingrained distrust of some other culture of people.
I'd like to point out that another reason some racial groups seem to be so against interracial and intercultural relationships is that those from minority groups that are recent immigrants are driven by a master family plan to better themselves and their family's fortunes by coming to America. They struggled and worked hard to get to this country, and their only goal is that their future progeny have a better life, a more prosperous one than they had back in the home country. So what they want is for their children to only marry others that will also add to the family's fortunes, not detract from it.

Then many cultures, like the Chinese, practice arranged marriages. Their marriages are less about passionate love and more about making a match that will make both families prosper. Traditional Chinese marriages are more like a business merger.

Plus being in a new country, they get extra attached to their own cultures and don't want to lose their traditions. While these immigrants want to be accepted by their new home country, at the same time they don't want to be part of the melting pot and become all blended in with every other culture and race. That is why there are Chinatowns, Little Italies and mini clusters of international culture scattered all over the US. So this is why some minorities would greatly prefer their children marry and have children with others of their same race and culture.

It's really much less about looking down on anyone not of their race and culture, and more about keeping their traditions intact in their new country and bettering the lives of their future generations. And when one doesn't have wealth to begin with, they feel the answer to that is working multiple jobs and getting their kids into the best schools possible. And when there is that much effort put into raising your kids right and giving them the best opportunities possible, of course they are going to be very picky with who their kids marry. It's all about the family's future.
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Old 05-09-2009, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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I think humans are genetically programed to need to look down on somebody. Although we are about a generation away from wiping out racism against African Americans, I suppose we'll replace that with an ingrained distrust of some other culture of people.
I have to disagree with you, too, gentlearts. "Genetically programmed"? No. Socially programmed? Yes. Parents can refuse to accept excuses from their youngest children - "yes, sir! No, Sir! No excuse, sir!" - or instead - as most nowadays seem to do - encourage them to excuse their behavior as well as their insecurities and instant gratification by - blaming others. "The rich did it - the poor did it - the blacks/yellows/browns/whites did it - the gays did it - the government did it - the Christians/Muslims/Jews did it - to MEEE." Everyone from Madoff to the most insignificant street criminal is encouraged to excuse, and to blame, their failings on the scapegoat du jour.

Being an adult is to take personal responsibility for one's choices, one's changes, one's failures as well as one's successes. Too bad there aren't more adults. Blaming any race or group is encouraged now from the sandbox to Washington... but I repeat myself.

When we remain as children, fighting amongst ourselves over such things, we are easily duped into following the next leader, and the next, and the next, who promises to 'save us all from those baaaad people'. Rather than extending the personal effort to save ourselves, taking responsibility for our own lives and actions, we wait for the next saviour with bated breath, to defeat all those baaaad people for us. Crying racism is just another manipulative tool to avoid individual responsibility, and to enhance the power-players' power - over us.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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I'd like to point out that another reason some racial groups seem to be so against interracial and intercultural relationships is that those from minority groups that are recent immigrants are driven by a master family plan to better themselves and their family's fortunes by coming to America. They struggled and worked hard to get to this country, and their only goal is that their future progeny have a better life, a more prosperous one than they had back in the home country. So what they want is for their children to only marry others that will also add to the family's fortunes, not detract from it.

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And when there is that much effort put into raising your kids right and giving them the best opportunities possible, of course they are going to be very picky with who their kids marry. It's all about the family's future.
Right. So then what would be their objection to their offspring marrying a well-to-do person of another population or religion?
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Old 05-10-2009, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Okay.
So im fed up with racism, I admit that I've had my retarded racial views too, HOWEVER: I got a black friend and totally changed my views.
And I strongly believe that we MUST get over skincolor. I noticed that black people in Compton aint bad either, and the negative attitudes I got from blacks before were my own fault. I acted like I was better than them.I love Compton.So I'd like to know what do YOU think?
Do you think we should get OVER racism finally, and what are your ideas on HOW to accomplish this?I personally think that its 2009, we should be waay over race.And how to do this? I seriously dont know any solution except educating people. OR: Interracial marriage, if everyone does it, racism will be gone in 1 generation. No one should get dumped on because their skincolor.
Wow...good for you for the change of heart! My best friend of 30 years now is black and she is like a blood sister to me. I would not ever let anyone speak badly of her and she also would be the same way if the situation were reversed. Unfortunately there is always going to be racism of some sort, always going to be prejudice over different issues...people will always agree to disagree and if that was all that happened because of this that would be good but things do get out of control when it comes to someone's race and it saddens me. Just the fact that you have changed your opinion means a lot. If just one person every day for 365 days out of a year changed their racist attitude, that would be 365 people who finally learned to get along with others. Imagine how that number would burst as the years went by? Just one person every day for 365 days for 10 years...WOW we would truly be on a roll then.

Good luck in Compton and congrats for seeing the light!!
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