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Old 05-10-2009, 02:52 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
Crime went up pretty uniformly all over the world, without respect to whether any particular country banned guns or not. There has been a huge explosion in crime in nearly every country in the past few decades. The causes have little to do with gun laws. Mostly, it has to do with the maldistribution of global wealth, the technological capacity to move goods , people and ideas around the world quickly and cheaply, the high profits that can be made through illegal activities, mainly drugs, the easy availability of credit, an erosion of trust in established governments, increased personal freedom in most countries, the list could go on and on.
with all respect i do not believe that the crime increase in australia and england were due to a redistribution of wealth in those countries . gun advocates site a strong correlation between disarming the populous and crime increase, global factors relevant to wealth distribution, i dont think so. not any more so than getting mugged in memphis.

 
Old 05-10-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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That is what I mean.
You are not interested in solving the cause of a problem, you only wanna shoot people.
Crime generally only is an effect and not the cause of a problem.
Once again - an untruth from you -

Personally, we are VERY involved in trying to get the changes you mentioned.

BUT, when this event occurred, it did not matter about what society was doing - what was IMPORTANT was, what was happening at the IMMEDIATE MOMENT.

You seem not to be able to separate the issues.
 
Old 05-10-2009, 02:57 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Greatday
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You seem not to be able to separate the issues.
And you base this conclusion solely on the fact that I don't agree with you?
Are you sure it isn't because you're convinced that I don't know squat about American culture, history and society?
 
Old 05-10-2009, 03:06 PM
 
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"An Unarmed People is an Enslaved People".
"A Disarmed People is a Conquered people".
I will not be enslaved or Conquered.
 
Old 05-10-2009, 03:12 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Peter Courtenay Stephens
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"An Unarmed People is an Enslaved People".
"A Disarmed People is a Conquered people".
I will not be enslaved or Conquered.
Right.
Gimme liberty or gimme death.
Sounds like a slogan from a fanatical terrorist organisation.
 
Old 05-10-2009, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Gimme liberty or gimme death.
Sounds like a slogan from a fanatical terrorist organisation.
You just illustrated your ignorance about American History and the strength of the American Patriots and the American ideals.

Thanks for proving it once and for all.
 
Old 05-10-2009, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Happy to comply. Alexandria, Louisiana. Crime rate 1115.1, the 16th highest city in the nation. It's in Rapides Parish, which ranks fifth highest in the nation, with private firearms in 52.8% of all homes. (We have no way of knowing how many of those are "law abiding folks".)

Any more questions?
You failed to provide sources for your stats - which were City-Data.com.
FWIW, the 1115.1 (2006) is in reference to 320.9 as the national average.
Prior to 2005 (and Hurricane Katrina) the score was 868 (2004).

And the index doesn't give details.

Murders: 3 (2004) versus 4 (2006)
Murders / 100k : 6.5 (2004) versus 9.2 (2006)

Now, are you so sure that your INDEX indicates rampant murders due to prolific gun ownership?

Alexandria, Louisiana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"As of the census of 2000, there were 46,342 people, 17,816 households, and 11,722 families residing in the city. The population density was 1,754.6/sq mi(677.5/km˛). There were 19,806 housing units at an average density of 749.9/sq mi (289.6/km˛). The racial makeup of the city was 54.75% Black or African American, 42.60% White, 0.25% Native American, 1.25% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 0.23% from other races, and 0.89% from two or more races. 0.98% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race."
NOW let us look at "gun impaired" Washington, DC:
Murders: 181 (2007)
Murders / 100k : 30.8 (2007)
Yet it has a crime index of only 670!

Gun happy Alexandria, LA has 6.5 murders / 100k people
Gun Banned DC has 30.8 murders / 100k people

Or let's look at Philadelphia, PA:
Murders: 392 (2007)
Murders / 100k : 27.3 (2007)
Crime index: 682.9
 
Old 05-10-2009, 03:21 PM
 
Location: In a house
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A lucky bunch because of one man with a gun. A man who some would not permit to carry on campus.

College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader - News Story - WSB Atlanta
 
Old 05-10-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Greatday
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You just illustrated your ignorance about American History and the strength of the American Patriots and the American ideals.

Thanks for proving it once and for all.
LoL you pretend as if I didn't know he quoted some patriot.
I just see no difference between American patriotism and the patriotism of the countries your former government called the ashes of evil.
Just like the American patriots only care about Americans and America, they only care about their people and their country.
Like you only care about your family and not the families of other Americans.
 
Old 05-10-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Shoot him in the foot or something. Putting a hollow point in somebody's head at close range and watching the brains and eyeballs float around the living room in slow motion does not arouse me to tumescence..

They say it's easier to do the second time.

Yeah ok, someones bent on killing your wife & you'll shoot his toe off.
You obviously do not take her saftey seriously.
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