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Old 08-21-2009, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Northeast Alabama
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Go with CNN, they need the ratings and I could care less.
LMAO...

 
Old 08-21-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: In a house
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1. It was a public appearence by the POTUS, which means that venue temporarily becomes Federal property. Deal with it.
So the Feds are paying property tax while they used it? We are Americans, Federal property belongs to us & its pretty sad our rights are subject to dismissal on it.

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3. It is certainly laughable to protest something THAT ISN'T IN DANGER FROM THE FEDS.
You dont think Obama would sign a new assault weapon ban? He's on record as saying he would support a ban on carry permits.

Besides that people protest all sorts of things whenever given the oportunity. I'm certain there were others there & I'm not sure that these guys were really protesting at all. Looks more like they just went there with guns & now some are protesting that.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 11:40 AM
 
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So the Feds are paying property tax while they used it? We are Americans, Federal property belongs to us & its pretty sad our rights are subject to dismissal on it.
It's pretty sad people cannot understand the importance of protecting the POTUS. It's pretty sad too that people "all of a sudden" don't like g'ment policy that's been in place for decades.

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You dont think Obama would sign a new assault weapon ban? He's on record as saying he would support a ban on carry permits.
No, he is NOT "on record" as saying he supports a federal ban on carry permits. He is actually on record as stating he thinks it is a State and Local issue. You repeat the usual right-wing snip-and-spin hysteria. And yes, he does support assualt weapon bans. So? Do you REALLY need an assualt style weapon?

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Besides that people protest all sorts of things whenever given the oportunity. I'm certain there were others there & I'm not sure that these guys were really protesting at all. Looks more like they just went there with guns & now some are protesting that.
People protest with signs and slogans, neocons and right-wingers protest by carrying guns hoping that the police or feds try to confiscate them. Another long used right-wing tactic. If there isn't an issue, Create One.

Last edited by AxisMundi; 08-22-2009 at 11:43 AM.. Reason: hit send to soon.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 01:35 PM
 
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.... It's pretty sad too that people "all of a sudden" don't like g'ment policy that's been in place for decades.
The lack of action by the Secret Service and local law enforcement would seem to indicate there was no violation of government policy.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 01:37 PM
 
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Would anyone care to offer an estimate of the number of legal and illegal concealed weapons that were there?
 
Old 08-22-2009, 01:37 PM
 
Location: southern california
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i greatly fear you are soon going to get one, but you wont like it.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 01:48 PM
 
Location: MS
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It's pretty sad people cannot understand the importance of protecting the POTUS.
If the president had made an appearance outside, then I'm sure the protester would have been disarmed by the Secret Service. If the protester had tried to enter the building, he would probably have been denied entry. It's not like an AR will shoot through a building or even the Pesidential limo. The protester looked like he was carrying a standard .223 cal AR.

I've had two experiences with the Secret Service and their professionalism is top notch. I had just attended a ralley where President Bush spoke. My wife and I walked outside to see the motorcade leave when an incident occured - link. I watched the car the entire time fully expecting to see the driver taken out. Luckily they were monitoring local police radio to know that this was a disturbed woman and not a terrorist. Seconds later the motorcade sped by with dozens of armed agents in SUV's.

The second incident was the last Memorial Day when President Clinton was in office. My wife and I were on the 3rd row at Arlington National Cemetary for the laying of the wreath cerimony. About 10 minutes before it started, man in a WWII uniform (helmet and all) made his way in front of us. About the time the generals and other military big dogs filled into the first row, Secret Service agents positioned themselves on either side of me. Dark glasses, ear-piece and they kept speaking into their shirt sleeve. Turns out WWII guy wasn't in the war. He was just a little nuts. Once, he made a move to get the attention of a 4 star General in the front row. He barely made the move and both agents put their hands on his shoulders. After the ceremony was over, everyone dispersed without incident.

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Do you REALLY need an assualt style weapon?
Yes. My wife wasn't comfortable shooting a full sized rifle so she got the AR style carbine with a 16" barrell and a collapsible stock. If she gets another rifle it will probably be a bullpup style like the Microtech STG (http://www.msarinc.com/stg556_sporting.html - broken link). These are much easier to handle by a small framed person.

-Robert
 
Old 08-22-2009, 02:02 PM
 
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The lack of action by the Secret Service and local law enforcement would seem to indicate there was no violation of government policy.
Why do people insist on repeating things I've already said?
 
Old 08-22-2009, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Yes. My wife wasn't comfortable shooting a full sized rifle so she got the AR style carbine with a 16" barrell and a collapsible stock. If she gets another rifle it will probably be a bullpup style like the Microtech STG (http://www.msarinc.com/stg556_sporting.html - broken link). These are much easier to handle by a small framed person.

-Robert
There are plenty of countries in the world where the average adult male is about the size of your wife, I suspect, and would require regular issue arms that would be appropriate for their stature. My dad, who was 5'7"/135#, had a WWII Japanese Arisaka, and rebuilt it as a functional hunting rifle.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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If the president had made an appearance outside, then I'm sure the protester would have been disarmed by the Secret Service. If the protester had tried to enter the building, he would probably have been denied entry. It's not like an AR will shoot through a building or even the Pesidential limo. The protester looked like he was carrying a standard .223 cal AR.

I've had two experiences with the Secret Service and their professionalism is top notch. I had just attended a ralley where President Bush spoke. My wife and I walked outside to see the motorcade leave when an incident occured - link. I watched the car the entire time fully expecting to see the driver taken out. Luckily they were monitoring local police radio to know that this was a disturbed woman and not a terrorist. Seconds later the motorcade sped by with dozens of armed agents in SUV's.

The second incident was the last Memorial Day when President Clinton was in office. My wife and I were on the 3rd row at Arlington National Cemetary for the laying of the wreath cerimony. About 10 minutes before it started, man in a WWII uniform (helmet and all) made his way in front of us. About the time the generals and other military big dogs filled into the first row, Secret Service agents positioned themselves on either side of me. Dark glasses, ear-piece and they kept speaking into their shirt sleeve. Turns out WWII guy wasn't in the war. He was just a little nuts. Once, he made a move to get the attention of a 4 star General in the front row. He barely made the move and both agents put their hands on his shoulders. After the ceremony was over, everyone dispersed without incident.

Yes. My wife wasn't comfortable shooting a full sized rifle so she got the AR style carbine with a 16" barrell and a collapsible stock. If she gets another rifle it will probably be a bullpup style like the Microtech STG (http://www.msarinc.com/stg556_sporting.html - broken link). These are much easier to handle by a small framed person.

-Robert
Firstly, I am a gun owner myself, mostly Civil War repros having been a Civil War Living Historian for a time, but I own some modern weapondry as well. Apperently, in pointing out to the Rabid Righties on this thread basic US Law and Constitutional Principles, some people have decided I am a lefty and anti-gun proponent.

Secondly, the first paragraph above I have already mentioned somewhere in this thread.

Lastly, while I agree with most of your post above, there are plenty of light weight rifles, including those designed for elders and women, that would suffice. Assault style weapons are really a non-issue in my book.
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