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Old 05-07-2009, 12:50 PM
 
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Smile A gunfree USA

Would a gun free USA be possible for the USA or just a ideal of pacifists, and religous types or would this mark the US becoming a moral and decent society if this were to occur
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Probably just an (unreachable) ideal. . . it is not possible to pass laws to change human nature, and the last thing I want to see is a "war on guns", similar to the war on drugs, etc., that kind of thing only makes it worse! I am having a hard time understanding why "assult weapons" cannot be banned, however. . . can anyone explain to me the NRA's logic on this one?
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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None of the above. Americans have proven themselves to be just as criminally-inclined, if not more so, as any people in the world. Law enforcement and national defense must be armed, and it is wildly unrealistic to think that the underworld cannot find a way to arm itself with some kinds of lethal weapons. The technology exists for an unlimited supply of firearms to be manufactured by cottage industries, as easily as meth labs.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Would a gun free USA be possible for the USA or just a ideal of pacifists, and religous types or would this mark the US becoming a moral and decent society if this were to occur

No, it is not possible.

Nor should it be gun free.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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Probably just an (unreachable) ideal. . . it is not possible to pass laws to change human nature, and the last thing I want to see is a "war on guns", similar to the war on drugs, etc., that kind of thing only makes it worse! I am having a hard time understanding why "assult weapons" cannot be banned, however. . . can anyone explain to me the NRA's logic on this one?
I think that the NRA feels that it isn't a good idea to bargain away any portion of the rights granted to you in the constitution. To me, it is at least an acknowledgeable argument to say "the 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about the right to keep and bear assault weapons", but the definition of "assault weapons" has been subject to a lot of interpretation and revision and letting a growing federal government run with that ball is more than a little dangerous.

"Assault Weapon" sounds scary and a great many who are not saavy when it comes to firearms are able to blindly jump on the bandwagon that no one should have anything that sounds that scary and feel pretty righteous in doing so. The problem is that legislation banning weapons that have truly have zero practical or enjoyment value (i.e. a weapon capable of fully automatic fire or burst fire or a non-sporting weapon with a caliber exceeding 0.50) has been in effect since 1934 (google "National Firearms Act").

Honestly, I don't think that an AWB will fly. The climate in 1994 was considerably different. Since then, the AR-15 has become the best selling and most widely owned rifle in the United States. More and more people are enjoying shooting sports and banning these weapons will have a much broader impact than it did in '94. It would be hard to write-off the "Tea Bagging" that an AWB would incite.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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Would a gun free USA be possible for the USA or just a ideal of pacifists, and religous types or would this mark the US becoming a moral and decent society if this were to occur
Uh huh...because taking away guns would quell all crime.
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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No, it is not possible.

Nor should it be gun free.
What do you think would be the disadvantage of an entire culture knowing how go get along with each other, without ever feeling that there was a need for guns?

I once lived in a fairly large Noth American city (St. John's, Newfoundland, pop. 250,000) in which the police did not carry guns. At all. Ever. It was quite a peaceful town, and in all the years I was there, the police never felt like they needed guns. No cop was ever shot. At. The town had been there since 1528, and no policeman ever needed a gun. Yes, people hunted, and used guns. For that purpose.

Suggesting that "everybody" ought to have a gun would have sounded rather preposterous to these people.

I don't understand what makes Camden New Jersey superior to St. John's just because people there have guns.
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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What do you think would be the disadvantage of an entire culture knowing how go get along with each other, without ever feeling that there was a need for guns?
The fact is though - guns are part of our culture in the US. And you will never be able to rid the nation of firearms. It simply cannot happen.

And, there will always be criminals -

We do not live in Utopia - nor ever will
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Probably just an (unreachable) ideal. . . it is not possible to pass laws to change human nature, and the last thing I want to see is a "war on guns", similar to the war on drugs, etc., that kind of thing only makes it worse! I am having a hard time understanding why "assult weapons" cannot be banned, however. . . can anyone explain to me the NRA's logic on this one?
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Cap1717 just what is an assault weapon?

If you mean a firearm capable of fully automatic fire (one trigger pull = firing till empty), fully automatic weapons have been restricted since the early 1930's. Special licenses and transfer fees have to be obtained in order to own or sell one of these.

When the term assault weapon is used by gun control advocates they usually include semi-automatic weapons (one trigger pull fires only one round). This can be used to outlaw almost all guns used in hunting and self defense.

That is the logic behind the NRA's thinking.

Historically gun control groups always want more. They will not be happy until there are absolutely NO GUNS in the hands of law abiding citizens.

But somehow I think you already know that.

GL2
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:10 PM
 
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Would a gun free USA be possible for the USA or just a ideal of pacifists, and religous types or would this mark the US becoming a moral and decent society if this were to occur
I think it's possible, but talk about getting the toothpaste back in the tube! The real obstacle would be getting people to vote for such a thing, of course.
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