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Old 05-17-2009, 11:42 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by leaana
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in some ways they got the right idea.
Isolating yourself (from others and / or reality) never is a good idea.
Heck, fleeing from your problems never is.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by leaana Isolating yourself (from others and / or reality) never is a good idea.
Heck, fleeing from your problems never is.
that's not what i meant. i meant focusing on living rather than religious wars and hate of all kinds is what i mean. live and let live.

i also mean that material goods and increasing the standard of living in the broadest sense across the globe will make a big difference in people's outlooks where they can start focusing on more attractive things for themself.

most people who hate or start trouble are desperate and have no other good outlets besides their life just being miserable. sometimes hate is all they have.
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Old 05-17-2009, 12:16 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by leaana
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that's not what i meant. i meant focusing on living rather than religious wars and hate of all kinds is what i mean. live and let live.
Ah, okay.
Unfortunately my experiences with the youth of today are that they are more and more fleeing into their own individual 'virtual' world.
They spend more time behind the PC instead of playing outside or doing sports.
I view isolation (because the outside world doesn't agree with your views) as 1 of the greatest problems we have today in a modern society.
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Old 05-17-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by leaana Ah, okay.
Unfortunately my experiences with the youth of today are that they are more and more fleeing into their own individual 'virtual' world.
They spend more time behind the PC instead of playing outside or doing sports.
I view isolation (because the outside world doesn't agree with your views) as 1 of the greatest problems we have today in a modern society.
hmm, i don't agree. some people are not isolating themselves because others don't agree with them, they just may be engaging in an activity where they seem or will be isolated at a time.

there is more than one way to interact with another anyways as you are probably inside and not doing sports and such using the computer. lazy people were always there no matter what. even if they don't run around outside, maybe they go to the gym. you can't compare the past lifestyle to today exactly and make that kind of judgement.

also, i'd much rather someone isolated themselves happily and not be a harm to society than running around blowing people up, rioting, killing or just causing problems. it all depends.

there was not this type of technology in the past and there still was a lot of suffering and mayhem.
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Old 05-17-2009, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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Originally Posted by leaana Ah, okay.
Unfortunately my experiences with the youth of today are that they are more and more fleeing into their own individual 'virtual' world.
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I teach at a university, so I get to deal with lots of young people. Myself, I am not youthful, unless you are in your 80s or 90s. (I am almost 60).

The "youth of today" are highly engaged. They are generally quite intelligent, and they are grappling with many of the same problems that their baby boomer parents had to grapple with. Most of them recognize the application of systems theory to problem solving and are aware of "the low of unintended consequences." It is true that some young people are lazy; some are out for a quick win; some are less than honest with themselves--but they are just ordinary people. Any large group of people would include members such as those.

I, for one, am not worried about the future of our culture, nor the future of America remaining free. I AM worried, however, about the large national indebetedness that we are leaving for our children and grandchildren.
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Old 05-17-2009, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Jet, you are off topic. (again.)
NO, I am on topic. Idealistic youth who are ignorant of their birthright and heritage cannot save the world. It's a common occurrence, in America.

I was in my late 30's when I was rudely awakened from my "Slumbers". Only after slugging through courthouse law libraries, dictionaries, and correspondence with "public servants" did I come to the data presented.

My sincere hope is that the coming generations escape the clutches of the propaganda ministry and READ THE LAW.

I do not claim infallibility, and may make mistakes. So please prove me wrong - READ THE LAW - present data that refutes my data and conclusions. Slap me down, rub my nose in the historical documents, and shut me up - PLEASE!

But if you cannot produce facts and data to refute, don't impede the education of others, by dismissing this knowledge without consideration.
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Old 05-17-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Jetgraphics wrote:

". . . voluntary participation in national socialism, compacts with usurers, . . . "

I have a little bit of trouble wrapping myself around an economic culture in which both of these are widespread phenomena. If they do coexist, it sounds like a perfect balance of two competing elements. I've been in quite a few places where national socialism prevailed, and there were no signs of any usury.
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Old 05-18-2009, 01:34 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by leaana
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there is more than one way to interact with another anyways as you are probably inside and not doing sports and such using the computer.
True, but I don't truly view this as socialising.
I know many people who are socially isolating themselves, but believe the opposite because they chat on the internet and have many friends on their friends-list.
They simply believe that quantity = quality.
But my main problem with the virtual world is that it more resembles a fantasy instead of real life; the virtual world is much too malleable.
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Old 05-18-2009, 05:48 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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'Idealistic youth saving the world". Reminds me of the book Logans Run. Everyone was obligated to die at 21 and thus spare the world from the evils of the old. It was actually a pretty good read for a short novel.
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:40 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Default Will idealistic youth save the world:

only until they have to make a mortgage payment, the baby has colic and a work assignment is due tomorrow.
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