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Old 05-09-2009, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Each new generation often discovers that its predecessors have sold out, compromised their principles, and exhibited less than moral behavior.

Worse, each new generation is incrementally ignorant of the past and the great causes that inflamed the masses.

Thus one can safely say that idealistic youth will not save the world, if ignorance misleads them to act as their corrupted elders desire.

To illustrate ignorance, let us contemplate morality.

Morality is confused because of a simple fact - There are two systems of law in operation, at this time.

TWO LAW SYSTEMS
Law of Love:
1. Harmless action in support of one's right to life (Good)
2. Self sacrifice for the benefit of another. (Greatest Love)
Law of the Jungle:
3. Harmful action in support of one's right to life (Evil)
4. Harmful action for no reason (Worst)
We can easily determine the difference between the two systems of laws.

Those who follow the law of love, support their lives with harmless labor. Those who follow the law of love sacrifice themselves for others.

Those who follow the law of the jungle, support their lives with harmful labor. Those who follow the law of the jungle sacrifice others for themselves.

We often use the terms : good and evil.
And we call evil doers : law breakers.

But that is misleading.

Predators follow the LAW OF THE JUNGLE and thus are abiding by the law. It's just not the same law as harmless producers follow.

Harmless productive people are "good" and harmful predatory people are "bad" only under the Law of Love.

Under the law of the jungle, predators are "good" and prey are "good to eat." Prey who fight back are "bad".

And if you are an adherent of socialism, then you are following the law of the jungle, seeking to dispossess others of their property for the benefit of another.

Remember:
Voluntary charity is a blessing.
Involuntary charity is a curse.

I have yet to meet a socialist who gave away all his possessions, and donated his life's work for the benefit of mankind. Socialists want to administer the taking of someone else's property, and the disbursement of that booty. In other words, socialists are pirates clothed in bafflegab.

In that light, no social problem can be solved by socialism, since socialism is the underlying problem. Any socialist solution involves an increase in bureaucracy, overhead expense, paperwork, regulatory burdens, and higher taxes - "for our own good." Remember, "Health Insurance" and HMOs didn't decrease the cost for access to medical care - they only increased the overhead expense, and personnel required to process the mess, while taking a hefty cut of the premiums, as profit.

So what should idealistic youth rediscover that their forefathers forgot to teach them?

That each man is endowed by his Creator with certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and absolute ownership. And any government instituted to secure said rights does NOT have the delegated power to infringe, deny, or impair those rights - without consent of the governed.

If one has not given consent to be governed, then all one can expect is assistance in securing one's right to life, liberty and property ownership. Anything else is suspect, if not voluntary, and/or by consent.

In short, man was endowed with individual sovereignty.
As a sovereign, one had the absolute right to own himself, his labor and the fruits of his labor. And no other man or group of men had the right to deny him his absolute dominion.

But from time immemorial, thieves, scoundrels, and marauders have sought to take what they needed, by any means. One of the most sinister, sly and deceptive ways was usury.

Capitalism has been mistakenly blamed for abuses due to usury and American socialism (since 1935).
CAPITALISM - An economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are privately owned and operated for private profit.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
A farmer who owns his farm enjoys capitalism. A farmer who doesn't is a tenant.
A laborer who owns the fruits of his labor enjoys capitalism. A laborer who doesn't is a slave.
PRIVATE PROPERTY - "As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
If you concatenate capitalism with private property, you can see the "inconvenient truth".
Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are absolutely owned by individuals and operated for their individual profit.
Anything else is NOT capitalism, including usury (which likes to call its nefarious scheme "capitalizing") and limited liability artificial persons (stock corporations) who engage in usury. Once you comprehend that, you will no longer be fooled by the money manipulators and financiers who rule the world by deception and fraud.

And to show their success at propaganda and indoctrination, not one in a million Americans know that they have given consent, via voluntary enrollment into national socialism, and contracts with usurers (i.e., interest bearing bank accounts).
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Why didn't you just come out at the beginning and say "I hate socialism because it conflicts with my own selfishness and imaginary entitlement to whatever I can grab for myself", and you could have dispensed with all the non-sequiturs that you twisted so tortuously to try to fit them into your own intuitive and instinctive greed.


Why didn't you tell us what you really wanted to talk about by titling your thread "Why Socialism is Immoral"?
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Old 05-09-2009, 06:44 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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I don’t think idealistic anyone is going to save the world unless they have a viable plan to do so. And I don’t think that such a plan has ever really existed. Not sure that it ever will. Kind of sucks for those of us who don’t believe in either of the ‘Big Two’ social/political models now dominating the world (I'll call them our usury system and their bureaucratic subjugation system). Maybe if someone comes along and rethinks the entire ball game, it could happen. But to just stay latched on to two systems that don’t really work… well, that’s rather futile. It’s also futile to assume that there will ever be a system to everyone’s liking.
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Old 05-09-2009, 07:53 PM
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There has been a succession of idealistic youth throught history, and especially in this time. They believe, they are inspired, but then life catches up and they have to deal with reality. Some just revert to what their parents were, but some still have a belief that they can change for the better. But youth is for learning and coming to be yourself and coming into the real world.

Idealism can change things, for better or worse or with unintended concequences. But its the idealism thats refined through a combination of youth and experience that makes the real impact. So, yes, they can but not as they believe it will happen.
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Old 05-09-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Idealistic youth movements do not necessarily carry the mainstream along with them, even though they might achieve visible successes. The Vietnam protestors had great influence on America in the 60s and the decades that followed, even right up to this one, but huge numbers, perhaps a numerical majority (whom I shall arbitrarily label Rednecks for identification purposes only) never signed on to anything that that movement represented, and to this day, the philosophy of the nation remains horribly and perhaps fatally fractured.
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:58 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics
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I have yet to meet a socialist who gave away all his possessions, and donated his life's work for the benefit of mankind. Socialists want to administer the taking of someone else's property, and the disbursement of that booty. In other words, socialists are pirates clothed in bafflegab.
And capitalists are different?
Is a banker who sells someone insurance while he knows that his client can never pay for it in his natural lifetime a socialist pirate or simply a greedy capitalist who only cares about the bonus he'll get from selling as much insurances as possible?
The only important difference I see between a capitalist and a communist system is that communists want to spread poverty over the population while capitalist wants to spread the wealth.
Unfortunately it doesn't really matter because the majority of the people will end up poor anyway, because in both systems only those in power will become (filthy) rich.
Whether it is a communist or a capitalist system it still is the (very) small minority who lords it over the large majority.

FYI the capitalist (credit) system is just as dead as communism is anywayz.
You could compare the credit system to an incurable terminal patient who'll die within a year, but if you give him a radical treatment of medicines you can stretch his life with 5 years.
Sadly the fact still is that he is an incurable terminal patient.
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:12 AM
 
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if we wait for the youth to save us we are doomed..the youth of today just wan't to play video games and talk on cell phones..
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:28 AM
 
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if we wait for the youth to save us we are doomed..the youth of today just wan't to play video games and talk on cell phones..
You need to pay more attention. Youth of today are daring and imaginative and creative and courageous people the likes of which our culture has never seen before. True, most of them are just along for the ride, as has been the case in every generation.

Youth of today are creating highly artistic music and cinema and literature, which are fields that youth of previous generations were locked out of. A kid in his room with a $3,000 videocam and Final Cut Pro in his Mac can turn out a full-length movie with every technical cinematic feature that a big studio is capable of producing with a 5-million dollar budget. And they are doing it, and independent cinema is scaring the hell out of Hollywood.

Today's technology is capable of giving wings to what in the past had no chance of going beyond whimsy. There is a whole new dimension to truth. You can post a statement on this forum, and within seconds I can refute it, because the technology exists to locate the truth in an unimaginably vast body of knowledge. I can find out in seconds in my living room what used to take a week in a library.

There will always be great minds. Do not underestimate the power of new techology to feed them. Instead of an old Brownie box camera, kids have been given tools that make creativity fun. And they are using them with enthusiasm

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Old 05-10-2009, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Monroe, Louisiana
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Is a banker who sells someone insurance while he knows that his client can never pay for it in his natural lifetime a socialist pirate or simply a greedy capitalist who only cares about the bonus he'll get from selling as much insurances as possible?
The only important difference I see between a capitalist and a communist system is that communists want to spread poverty over the population while capitalist wants to spread the wealth..
This doesn't make sense.

Why would someone buy an insurance if they couldn't afford it?
Obviously, if the consumer acts to buy something, then the banker does no immoral act with the sale.

Capitalists do not want want to spread the wealth? Where did you get this from?
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Monroe, Louisiana
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You need to pay more attention. Youth of today are daring and imaginative and creative people the likes of which our culture has never seen before. True, most of them are just along for the ride, as has been the case in every generation.

Youth of today are creating highly artistic music and cinema and literature, which are fields that youth of previous generations were locked out of. A kid in his room with a $3,000 videocam and Final Cut Pro in his Mac can turn out a full-length movie with every technical cinematic feature that Hollywood is capable of producing. And they are doing it, and independent cinema is scaring the hell out of Hollywood.

Today's technology is capable of giving wings to what in the past had no chance of going beyond whimsy. There is a whole new dimension to truth. You can post a statement on this forum, and within seconds I can refute it, because the technology exists to locate the truth in an unimaginably vast body of knowledge. I can find out in seconds in my living room what used to take a week in a library.

There will always be great minds. Do not underestimate the power of new techology to feed them.
I agree. I believe each new generation is increasingly more dynamic than the last.
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