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Old 09-08-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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People who are losing an argument will always bring up extreme unusual occurances and state it as fact. Sure there are some bad Asians and some of them are lazy, shiftless, angry, and criminal. But I agree with the original poster that as a percentage of their population and in general, most Asians are very impressive and are far less likely to commit crimes and have the social problems common among Blacks and Hispanics.
I agree the point still is that they are a very successful group has a whole. I have seen vietnamese who parents didn't even speak engish become very successful in high school and college in one generation. Even thought their parents did not speak english they knew what education meant.They also already had a strong work ethic and passed it on to their children.The exception to the rule means nothing compared to what they have achieved in a very short time.

 
Old 09-08-2009, 12:02 PM
 
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What a pointless Thread. Amazing how posters can comment with such confident authority on the inferiority of Black people.

The sum total of over 113 pages is that Blacks are stupid, low IQ wastrels who are destroying the fabric of Humanity and Civilization as a whole. Of course all those virtuous Whites, Asians, and Hispanics are hard working, family valuing loving high work ethic quintessential good people, whose eventual progress to success is being severely hampered by all those thug loving, welfare queen, low IQ OOW Black people who are destroying the fabric of Humanity and Civilization.

Of course, the added burden of having defective genes, a pathetic history that is not as advanced as Whites and Jews who won all those noble prizes is testament that nature made a mistake somehow and the Burden of Whites and others for carrying all those stupid, perpetual excuse making, disgusting Black people, is a waste of time and effort. So the solution to the problem requires that instead of Whites, Asians and Hispanics luxuriating in their blinding awesomeness is to take a cue and dispense with all those offensive Blacks.

Since you all think that we are less than human—eliminating the pox on humanity shouldn’t be a hard feat at all with all your superior intellectual and cultural currency at your disposal. And it would cease a compulsive need to generate endless threads trumpeting Why Blacks are sub-human species and inferior to everyone else.
DMoon,

I will not speak for the other 113+ pages’ posts, but let me address what you wrote.

I do not consider people of African ancestry as stupid or low IQ wastrels. There are people of African origins at elite institutions – look at that professor who was wrongfully arrested in Boston. My last trip to the campus of Columbia University years ago (a university I didn’t even bother applying to as I knew my grades weren’t good enough) witnessed several African-American and probably non-American black students.

I do not believe people of African ancestry have defective genes. If anything I would even go as far as to say that perhaps those of African ancestry have the best genes for sports. What Asian or white athlete in recent time equaled the prowess of Michael Jordan? How many Hall of Fame athletes in various sports were of African origin?

The issues facing the African-American community are various and complex, and it’d be an affrontery for me to state I know the solutions. I will say that the sociological conditions African-Americans have been under (often against their will) CONSTRAINED their development. This is why it took the Civil Rights movement for them to truly get anything resembling equality. Your people have been repeatedly wronged in the United States (and in other former European colonies in the Americas) from the moment the first African slaves arrived.

However, I will ask you this. How do African-Americans in general feel towards African or Caribbean black immigrants who are succeeding in ways African-Americans often do not? Is there tension? Animosity? I tried, and failed, to find a relevant NY Times article on this from years ago when I wrote my post on page 112 of this thread. I thought that article was very eye-opening in that it shed a new angle on the discussion of the issues facing the African-American community.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 12:59 PM
 
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which professor? the one that resisted arrest?
 
Old 09-08-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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which professor? the one that resisted arrest?
Yes.

he is an accomplished scholar - hardly an example of the "stupid, low IQ wastrel" DrMoon alluded to.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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(apology accepted but nope...thats the exact right side of the spectrum Grand Wizzy..lmao..)

And God forbid those same "every day kids" were told how this country actually manifested its greatness (corruption) without some self aggrandizing, good ole boy conservative glossing over, and dismissing the truth behind disparities that preceded this nations wealth..
see thats your problem right there, is Any sort of complimenting of the past invariably ends with one of your ilk suffixing it with "don't forget the slavery" or some other tired point.
NO ONE denies slavery existed, however that does not mean we can not be proud as a nation.
not every thing needs a reminder at the end of it about our past.
did blacks get a raw deal centuries ago? sure, but are many of them engaging in behavior and mindsets that are preventing them from being welcomed more fully into main stream america? YES.
I refuse to live my life ashamed by something like slavery or racism. I refuse to teach my children to feel undeserved guilt.

ALL nations are built on the bones of others, you can not find one that is not.
i understand some libbies get off on denouncing "whitey", but at the end of the day when (and if) the revolution comes your pale ass will be grouped alongside mine.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 01:07 PM
 
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Yes.

he is an accomplished scholar - hardly an example of the "stupid, low IQ wastrel" DrMoon alluded to.
as if american professors are paradigms of wisdom?

after all is said and done, he still acted wrongly. his credentials do not justify his actions. I am a white male and even i know better than to resist arrest.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 01:47 PM
 
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see thats your problem right there, is Any sort of complimenting of the past invariably ends with one of your ilk suffixing it with "don't forget the slavery" or some other tired point.
NO ONE denies slavery existed, however that does not mean we can not be proud as a nation.
not every thing needs a reminder at the end of it about our past.
did blacks get a raw deal centuries ago? sure, but are many of them engaging in behavior and mindsets that are preventing them from being welcomed more fully into main stream america? YES.
I refuse to live my life ashamed by something like slavery or racism. I refuse to teach my children to feel undeserved guilt.

ALL nations are built on the bones of others, you can not find one that is not.
i understand some libbies get off on denouncing "whitey", but at the end of the day when (and if) the revolution comes your pale ass will be grouped alongside mine.
Who's pale?...lol

at any rate,

nope the problem is that those Grand Wizzys/Conservatives of your ilk "get off" on discrediting the contributions of other cultures in the production of this nation, in favor of exalting their own Judeo Christian values and European American culture; which they do underneath the auspices of "patriotism".

And the problem is also that ANY mention and acknowldegement of the impact of past atrocities inflicted by European Americans upon other cultures in this nation, results in the predictable and reflexive masturbatory proclamations of "patriotism" by Conservatives. Followed by browbeating those cultures who received those atrocities, with demanding that they "get over it"; while those cultures are left to deal with the wounds from those atrocities. All while trying to help the default culture maintain this facade of equality within this country.

And since all nations are built upon the bones of others, why is it not ok that this one be built upon the bones of whites?...whats good for the gander... right? Why could Europeans not come to America, and adapt to the true original culture/s of this nation (the multitudinous native american cultures) rather than forcibly exterminating them and assimilating them to European Culture?

Why could European Americans not become patriots when they invaded the native americans' homeland? Just as they expect others who were brought here, or who have immigrated here to assimilate to their definition of patriotism under their European American culture?

Since we are such advocates of diversity, why did Europeans not allow the Native Americans the chance to "diversify" THEIR own culture by permitting European Americans to become PATRIOTS OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE.

It is because we are only accepting of the diversity that the European American culture in this country can CONTROL and dictate.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 01:56 PM
 
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see thats your problem right there, is Any sort of complimenting of the past invariably ends with one of your ilk suffixing it with "don't forget the slavery" or some other tired point.
NO ONE denies slavery existed, however that does not mean we can not be proud as a nation.
not every thing needs a reminder at the end of it about our past.
did blacks get a raw deal centuries ago? sure, but are many of them engaging in behavior and mindsets that are preventing them from being welcomed more fully into main stream america? YES.
I refuse to live my life ashamed by something like slavery or racism. I refuse to teach my children to feel undeserved guilt.

ALL nations are built on the bones of others, you can not find one that is not.
i understand some libbies get off on denouncing "whitey", but at the end of the day when (and if) the revolution comes your pale ass will be grouped alongside mine.
From my own family history, I wouldn't be proud because my ancestors were the ones who were leached off of and treated badly in order to build this nation. I look at it this way. Being forced to do work that you really don't want to do and you get nothing for it. That would make me angry to know that my ancestors didn't have a choice and didn't benefit from the fruits of their own labor. My ancestors may have helped build the wealth, but they didn't benefit from it. Why would I be proud? What I am proud of is that later on the may grandparents generation stopped taking crap and decided to take action, risking their lives. Some people were ever martyred for the cause to be treated as equals under the law. There is still alot of work to be done.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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Who's pale?...lol

at any rate,

nope the problem is that those Grand Wizzys/Conservatives of your ilk "get off" on discrediting the contributions of other cultures in the production of this nation, in favor of exalting their own Judeo Christian values and European American culture; which they do underneath the auspices of "patriotism".

And the problem is also that ANY mention and acknowldegement of the impact of past atrocities inflicted by European Americans upon other cultures in this nation, results in the predictable and reflexive masturbatory proclamations of "patriotism" by Conservatives. Followed by browbeating those cultures who received those atrocities, with demanding that they "get over it"; while those cultures are left to deal with the wounds from those atrocities. All while trying to help the default culture maintain this facade of equality within this country.

And since all nations are built upon the bones of others, why is it not ok that this one be built upon the bones of whites?...whats good for the gander... right? Why could Europeans not come to America, and adapt to the true original culture/s of this nation (the multitudinous native american cultures) rather than forcibly exterminating them and assimilating them to European Culture?

Why could European Americans not become patriots when they invaded the native americans' homeland? Just as they expect others who were brought here, or who have immigrated here to assimilate to their definition of patriotism under their European American culture?

Since we are such advocates of diversity, why did Europeans not allow the Native Americans the chance to "diversify" THEIR own culture by permitting European Americans to become PATRIOTS OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE.

It is because we are only accepting of the diversity that the European American culture in this country can CONTROL and dictate.
its funny how the first thing any liberal does is try to dismiss a counter point by accusing them of being in the klan.
secondly, white do not deny the contributions of minorities, we just don;t think that inventing a better way to fill pens makes up for the 70 percent crime rate.
btw what native american culture? i think its pretty closeminded to act like the MANY tribes in america were all one connected group just because tey were all more or less of the same race. by that token ALL europeans are one single group with one government and religion and way of life.

the sad fact is what happened to the native americans was pure and simple conquest, no DIFFERENT or worse than when the saxons took over england or the turks invaded bulgaria.

i guess in your small minded way because they were different races, it must be racism.

i saw a war for the new world, the explorers won. such is life.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 04:54 PM
 
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its funny how the first thing any liberal does is try to dismiss a counter point by accusing them of being in the klan.
secondly, white do not deny the contributions of minorities, we just don;t think that inventing a better way to fill pens makes up for the 70 percent crime rate.
btw what native american culture? i think its pretty closeminded to act like the MANY tribes in america were all one connected group just because tey were all more or less of the same race. by that token ALL europeans are one single group with one government and religion and way of life.

the sad fact is what happened to the native americans was pure and simple conquest, no DIFFERENT or worse than when the saxons took over england or the turks invaded bulgaria.

i guess in your small minded way because they were different races, it must be racism.

i saw a war for the new world, the explorers won. such is life.
Its even funnier how the first thing you Klan members do when faced with opposition, is accuse your opponent of liberalism (communism, socialism etc.)..lol..what a feeble and predictable tactic.


secondly, did you not read my post at all?...I specifically stated the MULTITUDINOUS NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURES...with the understanding that there were several from which Europeans could have chosen to assimilate to...I wouldve advised the colonists to pick one...and if that one didnt work, try another Native American culture. After all there were several to choose from, as we have both stated.



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i guess in your small minded way because they were different races, it must be racism.
and I see that your own feeble brainpower has led you the conclusion that I have somewhere implicated racism as the catalyst for the European "conquest". When in reality, I have made CLEAR that I am speaking of CULTURE and CULTURAL indoctrination!...and you think IM small minded..lmao. what a simpleton..as usual, you grand wizards want to turn everything into a race issue..smh lol.

quit playing the race card, and stick to the issue at hand which was the decimation of CULTURE. (those native american cultures to be exact)

I see a revision of this current nation, and the tide is turning towards multiculturalism by a landslide...such is life eh?
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