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Old 05-19-2009, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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Seems to me OP just has his own set of problems with blacks. But Op should learn its not his place to point out the flaws of a race that he/she is not. And just focus on the human race.
First off I have no problems with any race, it's not my place to point out the flaws of a race that he/she is not.(this is racism). I'm a human and blacks are humans I care for everybody we on this planet all we see is color not humans. My observation is just that an observation the question I asked is not my question, this question I posed has been asked by sociologist for many years all I did was re ask it. So because I'm not black or Asian I have no business discussing this b/c it's a minority thing? what a bunch of crap!!!!!

So whites should just mind whites problems and blacks should mind their own business as well, is this what your implying? We should start getting rid of race, we are all humans. If ww3 hits the u.s. watch everyone come together b/c when it comes to life and death all of a sudden nobody see's color all we see is surviving, let's not wait for WW3 to start teaming up together. Way to attack another poster instead of offering a theory as to why some ethnic groups are where they are in our society.

 
Old 05-19-2009, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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Crappy things have happened to every race and culture. And the best way to deal with it is just to move forward. One of the worst things the US has down to any group were the atomic bombs they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Living with the aftermath must have been really horrendous. I never hear the Japanese complaining about that nor the internment camps of WWII.
Miu, I have not read your posts other than a cursory glance. I like what I have read...but this paragraph struck my eye.

Just two comments.

1) The atom bombs have been placed into a weird, detached place in our consciousness. But what of the fire bombing of Tokyo that killed about as many as Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined? The Fire bombing of Dresden? The wholesale slaughter of the Chinese by Japan, most notably in Shanghai? What of the inhumanity of the Japanese in Bataan? The numerous atrocities of the Germans in WW1 and WW2 or the horrific revenge of he Soviets in 1943-45 and beyond? 10 million soldiers were killed in WW1 and perhaps 5 million civilians. Upwards of 50 million were killed in WW2. Tens of Millions! 14 million ethnic Germans were kicked out of countries after WW2!

That is what armies do, they kill, slaughter and maim. Once unleashed, their job is to win. This brutality is what war is. No Hollywood movie or decade of movies can change that. Perhaps yahoos and cowboys or dictators bent on evil should be more careful soldiers are sent into battle.

The A bombs should not be taken out of context. In fact, as twisted as it may seem, it shortened the war and prevented another 1 million + deaths, mainly Japanese.

On internment camps: as troubling and terrible as that was, one cannot compare that period with 200+ years of Black enslavement and brutality.

Perspective is very important in these discussions...my father was WW2 "slave" labour under the Nazis and a war refugee. My mother lived under Japanese occupation. But were lucky and knew it, despite losing 20 total years to the legacy of war. Others, like the Jews, Chinese and Slavs of WW2, American Blacks, Native Americans, Cambodian elites under Pol Pot, Bosnian Muslims, etc. were systematically exterminated with all the protocol of officialdom. Just not the same thing.

So we lost a generation of wealth and competitive edge. A Chevy instead of a BMW. Oh well...but with a different drop of blood my family tree would have ended before I drew breath.

S.
 
Old 05-19-2009, 09:58 PM
 
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World War can't compare some how to a socially accepted way of treating people. every one knows war is hell but,
You know when they hung black people in the 1920's , mom and dad would bring a picnic basket, blanket, and the kids to watch. Hanging Negroes was quite the family outing especially after church on Easter or on Christmas day. If you were lucky you would get to bring a corkscrew and get a souvenir piece of flesh or a finger to take home. The inhumanity that was done to African Americans two generations after slavery was sometimes just for entertainment. Ironically the African Americans who were the most prone to this treatment were men who had been in war, treated as heroes in France. They were the most surprised that their fellow Americans still harbour this kinda of hatred for them.
 
Old 05-20-2009, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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My question is in every city in America the worst area and most poor area is Black and the second most poor or dangerous is Hispanic but how and why have Asians bucked this minority trend? Go to the casino in Milwaukee and the high roller tables and rooms are all full of Asians and all engineering/math classes in college are either Indian or Asian. I suppose things are different in LA and SF but in Milwaukee we have a low Asian population but a high black and Hispanic population we have around 50-60,000 Asians. All our Asians for the most part are well educated well mannered and clean orderly people. Even the blue collar Asians have very nice homes and nice yards and you never see a Asian homeless guy in Milwaukee or anywhere else that I have seen. Milwaukee averages around 115-130 homicides even though last year we only had 70, not one Asian was killed or arrested for a homicide.

So if Asians were brought here by the white man to build the railroads and Hispanics immigrated here and blacks were brought here by slavery and all three ethnicity's started from the bottom why haven't Asians fallen into the "trap" that some claim that the man is holding them back and it's a white man's world...well the Asians have progressed and other ethnic backgrounds haven't why? I have seen many poor Asians that take such good care of there house and cars even thought they only make very little money and they are very polite people.

Another thing, I have talked to many immigrant Africans who don't like American black people b/c of the way they act and conduct themselves and I have been asked by people from Africa why are American blacks so violent in America? I have been told by many immigrants from Africa that say "they should be so happy just to be in America they have no reason to be mad and depressed"

So how have Asians Americans advanced and progressed and blacks and Hispanics not ? I'm talking as a whole society. You don't see Asian hoods in every city or Indian thugs on every corner in the hood.
Do you know any non-violent, non-thuggish, happy-to-be-in-America Black people? If you do, you should ask them the same dumb-a$$ question you just posted here.

Honestly, mods. How low are you going to allow the intellectual bar to go?
 
Old 05-20-2009, 09:22 AM
 
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Miu, I have not read your posts other than a cursory glance. I like what I have read...but this paragraph struck my eye.

Just two comments.

1) The atom bombs have been placed into a weird, detached place in our consciousness. But what of the fire bombing of Tokyo that killed about as many as Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined? The Fire bombing of Dresden? The wholesale slaughter of the Chinese by Japan, most notably in Shanghai? What of the inhumanity of the Japanese in Bataan? The numerous atrocities of the Germans in WW1 and WW2 or the horrific revenge of he Soviets in 1943-45 and beyond? 10 million soldiers were killed in WW1 and perhaps 5 million civilians. Upwards of 50 million were killed in WW2. Tens of Millions! 14 million ethnic Germans were kicked out of countries after WW2!

That is what armies do, they kill, slaughter and maim. Once unleashed, their job is to win. This brutality is what war is. No Hollywood movie or decade of movies can change that. Perhaps yahoos and cowboys or dictators bent on evil should be more careful soldiers are sent into battle.

The A bombs should not be taken out of context. In fact, as twisted as it may seem, it shortened the war and prevented another 1 million + deaths, mainly Japanese.

On internment camps: as troubling and terrible as that was, one cannot compare that period with 200+ years of Black enslavement and brutality.

Perspective is very important in these discussions...my father was WW2 "slave" labour under the Nazis and a war refugee. My mother lived under Japanese occupation. But were lucky and knew it, despite losing 20 total years to the legacy of war. Others, like the Jews, Chinese and Slavs of WW2, American Blacks, Native Americans, Cambodian elites under Pol Pot, Bosnian Muslims, etc. were systematically exterminated with all the protocol of officialdom. Just not the same thing.

So we lost a generation of wealth and competitive edge. A Chevy instead of a BMW. Oh well...but with a different drop of blood my family tree would have ended before I drew breath.

S.
that also caught my attention. what is important to realize is individuals and groups can and do indeed suffer as much then and today depending on their circumstances from the ravages of war, oppression and forms of slavery or just personal circumstances (meaning african-americans are not the only victims) but comparing institutionalized oppression that affects millions to japanese intern camps which were trivial in comparison is misleading. they were still pretty much treated civilly and were provided with good necessities. you have to consider the qualitative.

an individual can suffer even today in a developed country if they were abused or oppressed by their caretakers etc, (we've all read horrible news stories) so there are all types and degrees of individual suffering and then there is group suffering all in varying degrees.

on the other hand, people can lose sight of the fact others can suffer and do as much as they did in the holocaust or during the era of slavery in america.

there are men, women and children in prison camps right now that go through horrendous things, people in slavery right now, people starving, people being murdered, raped, mutilated etc and oppressed.

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Old 05-20-2009, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh but I'm ready to relocate......
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First off I have no problems with any race, it's not my place to point out the flaws of a race that he/she is not.(this is racism). I'm a human and blacks are humans I care for everybody we on this planet all we see is color not humans. My observation is just that an observation the question I asked is not my question, this question I posed has been asked by sociologist for many years all I did was re ask it. So because I'm not black or Asian I have no business discussing this b/c it's a minority thing? what a bunch of crap!!!!!

So whites should just mind whites problems and blacks should mind their own business as well, is this what your implying? We should start getting rid of race, we are all humans. If ww3 hits the u.s. watch everyone come together b/c when it comes to life and death all of a sudden nobody see's color all we see is surviving, let's not wait for WW3 to start teaming up together. Way to attack another poster instead of offering a theory as to why some ethnic groups are where they are in our society.
Your whole argument is bs!! I've been to rich/Mid-class neighborhoods where its over 80% Black and the poor neighborhood neat there where nothing but poor white people living in trailers. You wanna bring up the problems but you should discuss why situations are. Blacks werent invited to America on a Yacht........wait we werent invited. You have to talk about the cause and the effects....dont just single out one part of the situation. Why would I be happy to be in a country that has raped,disenfranchised and murdered the innocent. Dont get me wrong I love America but that doesnt make me happy with everything in America. (repost)
 
Old 05-20-2009, 12:46 PM
 
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To add what sandpointman said in the last page, particularly about eschewing thugism and minstrelism and embracing academics intelligence (and blacks who partake in it), I have a rather stern caution for the "black community." For years, even though we can talk about the prejudice faced from whites (and other minorities), speaking as a person who loves and has concentrated his major around mathematical, statistical, and finance, the most discrimination I have faced because of embracing intellectual subjects have been by BLACKS! With the exception of the three years being surrounded by Northeast Liberal Whites from the elitist suburbs of New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and Massachusetts, my experience with whites (and other minorities) have been rather exceptionally pleasurable. But one thing remained consistent: even though I moved around places, the sentiment I've faced from the "black community" has always been one of a negative experience. (the surprising thing about is that I face less animosity from blacks who are actually living in inner-city conditions compared to blacks who are lower-middle & middle class households that embrace the "inner-city" culture just to look cool). Well here's the sentiment many "smart, selling-out, uncle-tom, uppity" blacks are coming to: Even though the racists of America have a louder voices and are given the title by the media as "Spokesperson of White America" (like Jackson and Sharpton are with Black America), the reality is that most of America is rather indifferent to race. Now many Americans HATE the CURRENT black culture, but trust me when I say many of these whites who do so are probably the least racist individuals! The smart blacks realize that there are others we can associate ourselves with, and while not throwing ourselves at the feet of whites, we realize that there are parts of this country where the whites and non-black minorities don't cringe at the thought of associating, partnering, running a company with, befriending, dating, marrying, and raising a family with blacks who are intelligent, intellectual, competent, self-motivated, and responsible! And as more whites and non-black minorities become part of that population who's indifferent of race, more intellectual blacks are going to cross the line and transition from "an anomaly of the black community" to "another citizen of mainstream America"! And as that happens and as the rest of America takes the effort to observe the difference between normal blacks and stereotypical ******* (sorry, there is no other way to describe these dead weight flesh), the black community that continues to embraces ignorance, thug-mentality, self-pity, and anti-intellectualism are going to be s*** out of luck!

To the shiftless black community, I think this sums it up best:


YouTube - Boondocks MLK speech
 
Old 05-20-2009, 04:39 PM
 
Location: All around the world.....
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This would be true if we weren't talking about people born in 1980-present that were born here and already are still committing crimes and are still very poor...there is no excuse for this. There is no excuse for blacks and Hispanics to be leading in a lot of bad categories.


You may want to research a bit further
and a good reference point to start would be GENOCIDE
I'm sure you will be able to trace from there.......
 
Old 05-20-2009, 11:42 PM
 
Location: British Columbia.
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You may want to research a bit further
and a good reference point to start would be GENOCIDE
I'm sure you will be able to trace from there.......

This thread is so played out Im tired of it.

Everyone here should read Malcolm Gladwell's book "outliers" the reality is that success is passed down generationally, anyone who thinks they did anything on their own is kidding themselves.
 
Old 05-21-2009, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I can't answer your question but I've never met an Asian or read about an Asian that thought they were a victim of society. I don't know of any Asian Community Organizers or any Asian demands on American society as a group of people in need of special treatment.
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