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Old 06-19-2009, 10:45 AM
 
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To get back to the topic, yes there are serious problems going on in black and hispanic inner cities. To be honest when it comes to affordability and customer service I have found east asian run stores and restaurants to be the best. I have dabbled with asian martial arts; philosophies like taoism; chi kung; I have great experiences with traditional chinese doctors; not to mention great experiences with Thai, Filipina and Japanese women; I'm a big fan of anime to boot.

I remember a while back CNN did a special for the anniversary of Brown vs BoED and a segment looked at asians in Chinatown. The parents were often at or below poverty level but their kids often had great academic success.

Even when I went to Canada, east asians seemed to be the most integrated non-Euros with the whites. There were plenty of them on college campuses and even in predominately white social settings there would be one or two. There's nothing wrong or shameful taking something that works from another person or culture and adapting it to suit yourself.
Hell, that's what the northern and western Europeans and then the Japanese did to achieve 1st world status.

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Old 06-19-2009, 03:51 PM
 
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My question is in every city in America the worst area and most poor area is Black and the second most poor or dangerous is Hispanic but how and why have Asians bucked this minority trend? Go to the casino in Milwaukee and the high roller tables and rooms are all full of Asians and all engineering/math classes in college are either Indian or Asian. I suppose things are different in LA and SF but in Milwaukee we have a low Asian population but a high black and Hispanic population we have around 50-60,000 Asians. All our Asians for the most part are well educated well mannered and clean orderly people. Even the blue collar Asians have very nice homes and nice yards and you never see a Asian homeless guy in Milwaukee or anywhere else that I have seen. Milwaukee averages around 115-130 homicides even though last year we only had 70, not one Asian was killed or arrested for a homicide.

So if Asians were brought here by the white man to build the railroads and Hispanics immigrated here and blacks were brought here by slavery and all three ethnicity's started from the bottom why haven't Asians fallen into the "trap" that some claim that the man is holding them back and it's a white man's world...well the Asians have progressed and other ethnic backgrounds haven't why? I have seen many poor Asians that take such good care of there house and cars even thought they only make very little money and they are very polite people.

Another thing, I have talked to many immigrant Africans who don't like American black people b/c of the way they act and conduct themselves and I have been asked by people from Africa why are American blacks so violent in America? I have been told by many immigrants from Africa that say "they should be so happy just to be in America they have no reason to be mad and depressed"

So how have Asians Americans advanced and progressed and blacks and Hispanics not ? I'm talking as a whole society. You don't see Asian hoods in every city or Indian thugs on every corner in the hood.
Have you also noticed that there is no Asian American version of race card hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that claims to speak for all Asian Americans.
 
Old 06-20-2009, 11:36 AM
 
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There is a major religious event that take place in SouthWest Missouri every year and I belive it attracts thousands of Asians from all over the US as well as the world, every year Law enforcement agencies from the FBI on down to many state an local agencies all over the country send dozens of agents, and make arrests, as there has been violence and murders in the past by rival criminal gang members.
 
Old 06-20-2009, 11:39 AM
 
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Have you also noticed that there is no Asian American version of race card hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that claims to speak for all Asian Americans.
Have YOU noticed that it is the media and NOT Black America who decided that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were "our designated leaders".

I (a Black person) have never known any Black people who thought that Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson or Louis Farrakan spoke for them. If you "knew" Black people you would know this, too.

It is such a strange phenomenom when a person "knows" only one Black person (typically the doorman in their bldg, the shoeshine man or security guard at their office, or some similar trivial association) and they decide that they "understand" how "our people" think and believe.
 
Old 06-20-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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A lot of Asian people are extremely serious and conform-like. That's why they are more acceptable imo.
 
Old 06-21-2009, 07:03 PM
 
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I consider the problems with many hispanics as being a large part due to having a failed immigration policy. Canada has a great policy that should be used as a model.

Canada does take in refugees but the vast majority of their immigrants are skilled and educated workers. The candidates must also have some proficiency in the two official languages. They also have to demonstrate they have a certain amount of money before they can immigrate. I think they also made it more difficult for immigrants to bring in family members unless their immediate family. This cuts down the number of people that are let in without showing how they are beneficial to the local economy. It is also extremely difficult to get decent jobs and housing and services without the proper, legal documents.

I'm not saying its perfect but the Canadian immigrant cities are multi-ethnic BUT without much of the overt racial tension of U.S. cities. I think the Canadian point system is a great model to help reform our immigration system. It sets a standard that helps weed out those that would not be able to make it in the first place rather than leaving the door wide open for any and every one.
 
Old 06-26-2009, 09:07 PM
 
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So why don't we see the cream of blacks or Hispanics in cities in America? you don't need money to be well behaved or to go to school. How many times have you seen people turn down good paying jobs b/c the job was below them or " I don't want to do that". How about doing what you have to do not what you want to do.

Hmm, in order to be "the cream" here in America, first of all you have to be from somewhere else. The asians that came here and do well do so b/c they know what awaits them if they don't (go back to poverty/despair) not making excuses for the blacks and latinos that are already here but they tend to take for granted the opportunities that they already have. This may sound strange, but to a certain degree cultural history/identity may have some part in the behavior of todays youth. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that the less one knows about their cultural identity/history the more likely that they would engage in negative activities.
 
Old 06-26-2009, 09:27 PM
 
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They are one of the more prosperous groups in THIS country (not inside the country that holds the multi-generational lineage of persecution of that group). Check out how well they have done inside the country in which they were persecuted, prior to foreign intervention and the CONCERTED EFFORT by the German govt. to acknowledge their disparagement, appoint Jews to positions of authority, and fund the prosperity of Jews in their country. They (Jews) are just now BEGINNING to rebound from disenfranchisement in the country in which they were persecuted.

Secondly, I really think the comparison of Jews (a religious minority) and blacks (a racial minority) is a flawed one. Many Jews (ethnic Jews) renounce their faith or are not openly practicing the religion, as was the case with my former coworker. It is not possible for Black people to renounce their history nor appearance; even if, in seeking an easier course in life, they did want to.

But one mis-communication in this whole debate it seems, is that people keep insisting that sympathizers of the black plight are attributing the lack of progress to general slavery AND racism...I notice that these are the two main focal points that non-minorities seem to extract from the statements of those who attempt to put the plight of, particularly blacks, into perspective.

Personally, you have never seen me, on this thread, and rarely in reality do I imply that the plight of present day blacks have much to do with general enslavement. As Im sure you're aware, slavery happened to be a tragic incident in history that had its tentacles in virtually every region of the globe, and to a lesser extent involving every race as both victim and perpetrator at some time, and in some capacity.

I think people should quit extracting from the explanations that mere enslavement was one of the main components that has impeded the progress of Blacks in this country. Because it is too general of an explanation and slavery on its face IS just an excuse.

The most impacting disparity that we can actually account for, came about after slavery had ended, when Blacks were systematically restricted from the entities of this country that empowers ANY and EVERY demographic seeking a better future for its FUTURE GENERATIONS. That is but one of the few roles that actual race played in the hindrance of blacks (aside from lynchings/intimidation of course...lol).

The rest of the hindrances were largely immaterial elements of society occurring as collateral damage from the economic enterprise of slavery that, today, we take for granted: (familial cohesiveness, retention of ancestral culture if we so choose, retention of native language if we so choose, access to equal or at least decent education, the OPTION to assimilate to the mainstream culture OR continue engaging in our respective cultural traditions, having and knowing one's ancestral/geographic origins and having a valid and unified ethnic identity, the ability to come to this country and return to a homeland as one pleases...sustaining relationships with relatives in ones homeland, etc.)


....these were the seemingly inconsequential intangibles that hundreds of thousands of Black families did not have the option to indulge in for generations (not for a couple of or even a few decades)...and by which subsequent generations have been impacted.


And again, those things were collateral damage from slavery. And they only resulted from the iniquitous WAY that slavery was conducted in this country; as opposed to the more humane way in which it was conducted with, oh lets say Jews (since they do seem to be the benchmark that people keep choosing to set forth in this thread), for example.

I try to make that distinction because it is so easy to dissemble those iniquities and inequalities with the vague, generic use of the term "slavery". Slavery in its self was what slavery was to every culture that experienced it (you dont hear many other cultures whining about the effects of slavery on their culture because textbook slavery, in itself, is hardly enough to cripple an entire culture)...but the WAY that "slavery" was conducted in this country did not even adhere to the what the definition of slavery was, in THAT time period nor in other regions of the world. And the events and written laws that were enacted since the inhumane transgressions resulting from the WAY slavery was conducted in this country, have precluded the formation of proper scar tissue.
WoW! You wrote what I was thinking

Although I never took into account that no other group of people has mentioned past slavery as a reason for further growth but American blacks and as you stated there is a reason why that is so....execellent post!
 
Old 06-26-2009, 09:30 PM
 
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I think success is all about personal responsibility -- despite one's circumstances. In other words, not sitting around and blaming others for one's background/upbringing -- no matter the race/ethnic group one belongs to.
 
Old 06-27-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: St Louis County, MO
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Hispanics cross a border that doesn't seem all that difficult to cross.
Blacks were brought here by the whites.
Asians had to earn an education and have plenty of dollars for moving, attorney fees, etc to immigrate.

Same with truly legal immigrants from Africa or Mexico - they are going to be your hard working class who appreciates America. I'm sure much of the Mexican neighborhood in St Louis are illegals, but they are hard working, friendly people for the most part.
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