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Old 07-16-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:47 PM
 
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I am asking why and reading books about these things. In my anthropology class, my professor showed the film, Guns,Germs,and Steel. It helped me to launch more research.

I am a firm believer than no human being is inferior and that people are often products of their environment.
I couldn't agree more. And THE single most toxic environment is an environment of excuse-making and self-perpetuating victimhood.

Nobody can change the past. And those who are unwilling to move beyond it are doomed to be its victims.
 
Old 07-16-2009, 06:54 PM
 
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I never said Africa was the only continent that was ever invade. I said it was treated WORSE than any other continent. That was the point I was trying to make. It was invaded and colonized WORSE.
I agree with this statement...The magnitude to which Africa was exploited was more profound than in other regions....more profound in both the sense that its resources were removed and pillaged IN ADDITION TO the fact that those SAME resources were then reallocated towards the improvement of countries that we recognize today as more advanced.

Africa was at one time the richest continent on the earth (with regards to natural resources)...If the continent with the most natural resources is pilfered, then (obviously) whoever pillages that continent stands to reap the most benefit...

In that Africa had no region based govt. bodies established at the time of its colonization, there were few boundaries to the exploitation that occurred throughout its varied regions...
 
Old 07-16-2009, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Rogers, AR
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I agree with this statement...The magnitude to which Africa was exploited was more profound than in other regions....more profound in both the sense that its resources were removed and pillaged IN ADDITION TO the fact that those SAME resources were then reallocated towards the improvement of countries that we recognize today as more advanced.

Africa was at one time the richest continent on the earth (with regards to natural resources)...If the continent with the most natural resources is pilfered, then (obviously) whoever pillages that continent stands to reap the most benefit...

In that Africa had no region based govt. bodies established at the time of its colonization, there were few boundaries to the exploitation that occurred throughout its varied regions...
And to piggy back of that, those societies that some of the people here have been talking about as being more advanced and superior got that way from exploitation. Do you think England would have gained it's wealth without colonizing and exploiting India? Do you think France, Britian, and Belgium would have gotten as far without the wealth taken from Africa? Of course not.
 
Old 07-16-2009, 09:59 PM
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I agree with this statement...The magnitude to which Africa was exploited was more profound than in other regions....more profound in both the sense that its resources were removed and pillaged IN ADDITION TO the fact that those SAME resources were then reallocated towards the improvement of countries that we recognize today as more advanced.

Africa was at one time the richest continent on the earth (with regards to natural resources)...If the continent with the most natural resources is pilfered, then (obviously) whoever pillages that continent stands to reap the most benefit...

In that Africa had no region based govt. bodies established at the time of its colonization, there were few boundaries to the exploitation that occurred throughout its varied regions...
But you could really make the same observations about what happened in North America with the Native Americans and in South America too with the Spaniards being the dominating outsiders. Also in Hawaii and the islands in the Pacific. When the natives are so much more behind in their cultural and technical development than the invaders, it's just human nature to take advantage of the situation.
 
Old 07-16-2009, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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You know, I never quite thought of it that way before. Africa and the Americas for that matter was doing fine before colonization. the natives in their respective countries lived as one with nature and never took more from the land than needed. A example of this is before the settlers came to the Americas there were miles of buffalo throughout the plains and in a few decades they were almost gone.

I really haqte to point fingers but the heck with it......IT WAS THE BRITISH FAULT! They created Kuwait and you see what happened after that. They colonized South Africa racist system along with the Dutch, Austraila and other parts of "uncivilized Africa"
And the word Darwinism comes to mind here: the stronger vanquishing the weaker.

Not just by 'force of arms' but; by better education, etc.
 
Old 07-16-2009, 10:32 PM
 
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And to piggy back of that, those societies that some of the people here have been talking about as being more advanced and superior got that way from exploitation. Do you think England would have gained it's wealth without colonizing and exploiting India? Do you think France, Britian, and Belgium would have gotten as far without the wealth taken from Africa? Of course not.
My point exactly...and I realize that ALMOST every group of people on this earth has committed wrong doings at some point or another...I have mentioned as much several times in my past posts...

but I think that the DEGREE of exploitation and war campaigns to which adversaries have been subjected is what first and most importantly determines how successful or unsuccessful they will be in their subsequent recovery.

I also feel as though while Africa, particularly, is struggling to rebound, much of their complications can be traced to the fact that their native land has been drastically altered from its original state through both poaching/over poaching and the destruction of their native habitat.


Many parts of Africa which were once lush rainforests are now little more than grassland...Many villages were only accustomed to subsisting in the rainforests habitat and struggled to maintain their way of life after native plants, animals, and other foods and resources were either displaced, decreased in number, or altogether destroyed during colonization and imperialization.
 
Old 07-16-2009, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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One thing that I have found in doing my research that I think may have a lot to do with it is the average IQs of the inhabitants of the various nations. The average IQ in Africa south of the Sahara is about 70. The average IQ of the nations in Western Europe and the US is about 100. That's 2 standard deviations and is quite significant.

- Reel
Such discrepancies of IQ are essentially due to cultural upbringing, not race.

Why I say that is the difference between American Blacks and Whites may be 10 points-----------tops. And the avg IQ of the former has been increasing due to changes in attitudes at home.
 
Old 07-16-2009, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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And to piggy back of that, those societies that some of the people here have been talking about as being more advanced and superior got that way from exploitation. Do you think England would have gained it's wealth without colonizing and exploiting India? Do you think France, Britian, and Belgium would have gotten as far without the wealth taken from Africa? Of course not.
Flip side: Japan had its territories taken away after WW II and that nation is many times the economic powerhouse today compared to the 1930's. Too Japan had also been blown to smithereens-----------conventional wisdom would suggest that it would have remained a shattered shell for generations.

Remember that in many cases the Brits, French, etc. cut their colonies loose two generations back because they were becoming net liabilities.
 
Old 07-16-2009, 10:52 PM
 
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Flip side: Japan had its territories taken away after WW II and that nation is many times the economic powerhouse today compared to the 1930's. Too Japan had also been blown to smithereens-----------conventional wisdom would suggest that it would have remained a shattered shell for generations.

Remember that in many cases the Brits, French, etc. cut their colonies loose two generations back because they were becoming net liabilities.

Good point ArizonaB...I could certainly be mistaken, but didnt the U.S. (one of Japan's presumed adversaries) actually help rebuild Japan after the destruction of it?
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