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I may have posted this earlier in this (long) thread, so I will apologize up front.
Why is it that Blacks born/raised in Africa and their US born children are arguably the most successful socio-economic group here? Read that surpassing even Asians in many cases..............
That casts doubts on racism being a huge factor in keeping the Black man 'down'.
The Africans coming to this nation are often the "cream of the crop" in their own nations. Most of the Africans I know that are coming here are students(mainly in business or medicine). There is a big difference in history between Africans and black Americans. Black Americans have had to deal with crap since day one. Historically, blacks have had to deal with being "kept down". We are only about 45 years out of the civil rights movement. It is going to take more than just the change of laws to make things better. On the other hand, the Africans coming here are here by choice looking for something better.
The Africans coming to this nation are often the "cream of the crop" in their own nations. Most of the Africans I know that are coming here are students(mainly in business or medicine). There is a big difference in history between Africans and black Americans. Black Americans have had to deal with crap since day one. Historically, blacks have had to deal with being "kept down". We are only about 45 years out of the civil rights movement. It is going to take more than just the change of laws to make things better. On the other hand, the Africans coming here are here by choice looking for something better.
"The McCarran-Walter Act establishes the basic laws of U.S. citizenship and immigration. This act, also known as the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, has undergone several changes since its adoption. Originally, the law admitted only a certain number of immigrants of each nationality.But a law passed by Congress in 1965 gave preference to immigrants with skills needed in the United States"
this might be the reason so many Immigrants have achieved more in the last forty years than Hispanics and Blacks. They couldn't come here with out being skilled. many of these people were more than just skilled they were professionals with advanced degrees in the sciences.
"The McCarran-Walter Act establishes the basic laws of U.S. citizenship and immigration. This act, also known as the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, has undergone several changes since its adoption. Originally, the law admitted only a certain number of immigrants of each nationality.But a law passed by Congress in 1965 gave preference to immigrants with skills needed in the United States"
this might be the reason so many Immigrants have achieved more in the last forty years than Hispanics and Blacks. They couldn't come here with out being skilled. many of these people were more than just skilled they were professionals with advanced degrees in the sciences.
Ummm... That's not true.
I was involved with a whole group of Southern Sudanese refugees that came to America about 15 years ago. No degrees. No skills. No pedigree.
Even so, the overwhelming majority of them have done remarkably well. In fact, the "man of the house" in the family who moved in next door to us, is now a tenured postal carrier for the USPS.
It's not so much their background as it is their desire to do whatever is necessary to succeed.
My question is in every city in America the worst area and most poor area is Black and the second most poor or dangerous is Hispanic but how and why have Asians bucked this minority trend? Go to the casino in Milwaukee and the high roller tables and rooms are all full of Asians and all engineering/math classes in college are either Indian or Asian. I suppose things are different in LA and SF but in Milwaukee we have a low Asian population but a high black and Hispanic population we have around 50-60,000 Asians. All our Asians for the most part are well educated well mannered and clean orderly people. Even the blue collar Asians have very nice homes and nice yards and you never see a Asian homeless guy in Milwaukee or anywhere else that I have seen. Milwaukee averages around 115-130 homicides even though last year we only had 70, not one Asian was killed or arrested for a homicide.
So if Asians were brought here by the white man to build the railroads and Hispanics immigrated here and blacks were brought here by slavery and all three ethnicity's started from the bottom why haven't Asians fallen into the "trap" that some claim that the man is holding them back and it's a white man's world...well the Asians have progressed and other ethnic backgrounds haven't why? I have seen many poor Asians that take such good care of there house and cars even thought they only make very little money and they are very polite people.
Another thing, I have talked to many immigrant Africans who don't like American black people b/c of the way they act and conduct themselves and I have been asked by people from Africa why are American blacks so violent in America? I have been told by many immigrants from Africa that say "they should be so happy just to be in America they have no reason to be mad and depressed"
So how have Asians Americans advanced and progressed and blacks and Hispanics not ? I'm talking as a whole society. You don't see Asian hoods in every city or Indian thugs on every corner in the hood.
75 percent of crime in the us isnt caused by asians, 95 percent of illegals arent asian.
The Africans coming to this nation are often the "cream of the crop" in their own nations. Most of the Africans I know that are coming here are students(mainly in business or medicine)..
So if we deprive the most impoverished nations of their best talent, how will they ever rise out of poverty?
Oh and as long as people deny the reality of racial IQ differences and its correlation with GDP this discussion will never get anywhere.
So if we deprive the most impoverished nations of their best talent, how will they ever rise out of poverty?
Oh and as long as people deny the reality of racial IQ differences and its correlation with GDP this discussion will never get anywhere.
It is called a "correlation", not causation. Correlation is not causation. You need to look at causation. What you are trying to imply is that certain races/ethnicities are inherently inferior. Well, whatever it is you want to bring to the table, it is a load of crap. Have you ever thought about the fact that IQ tests were not created equal, that ask questions certain people would not know because some of the questions asked involve things certain people are not exposed to or know about? Create a test that considered what everyone knows about or that isn't culturally biased and come back to me on that. If you want to know why the African nations have been doing so poorly, read Guns, Germs, and Steel, if you are up to it.
So if we deprive the most impoverished nations of their best talent, how will they ever rise out of poverty?
Oh and as long as people deny the reality of racial IQ differences and its correlation with GDP this discussion will never get anywhere.
I am just as smart/smarter as everyone else, thank you very much.
IQ has nothing to do with the economy/GDP of nations.
There are plenty of talented poor people. Since they are poor, most never get their chance to 'shine'.
I find it pitiful that people are blaming/picking on people less fortunate than themselves. I find that with every year of my life, my pessimism in any hope for humankind increases dramatically.
The initial poster automatically grouped all Asians into the Asian's category. In reality, we should separate all races from their birth location to understand the situation. Africans from Africa are not the same as the African Americans.
The living conditions at birth has a dramactic effect on the current situation. If a person grows up poor, they will most likely end up poor. This is not ground breaking information. The initial poster asked, why the bad side of town is always black or hispanic? For blacks, I will go back hundred years, when slavery supposedly stopped. Blacks were not handed $1000.00 and then trained for the pending adventure. They were left to their own means for the first time in their life's. And prior to the release, how were they treated? They were not allowed to read and were beaten to a pulp, like animals. At the time, no one wanted to live next to blacks and they were probably fearful of whites so they were forced into those commmunities. Considering those conditions, its easy to see why the hood is dominated by blacks. No money, fearful of more beatings, where would you go?
Let's consider a track race analogy. The race will depict life and its challenges. We have all the races on the starting line. The starting line represents the financial/educational/etc standing at birth. The race has not started, yet. All blacks take 3 steps back. All American Indians take 4 steps back. Hispanic take 2.5 or 2. White people, stay there on the starting line. On your mark, get set, Go!
Thats, how I see it. The hood sucks, then on top of that, crime is high, education is limited and drugs are everywhere. 3 steps back is alot, we have to equal the playing field. Educating our youth is the key to making it out of the hood. Better educational standards in those areas of town will help those races greatly.
It is called a "correlation", not causation. Correlation is not causation. You need to look at causation. What you are trying to imply is that certain races/ethnicities are inherently inferior. Well, whatever it is you want to bring to the table, it is a load of crap. Have you ever thought about the fact that IQ tests were not created equal, that ask questions certain people would not know because some of the questions asked involve things certain people are not exposed to or know about? Create a test that considered what everyone knows about or that isn't culturally biased and come back to me on that. If you want to know why the African nations have been doing so poorly, read Guns, Germs, and Steel, if you are up to it.
You seem to think that the people who devote their lives to the study and research of IQ are stupid. You think they are going to give a test to someone who knows nothing about anything in the questions and then conclude that they have a low IQ because they can't answer the questions. That is ludacrous! Where did you get such an idea? Do you really believe that?
Most people know simple numbers. They can be asked what comes next in this progression - 2, 4, 6, __. If someone does not know basic numbers, they cannot and will not be asked this question. This is so obvious and simple. Yet you seem to think that this may have flown right over the heads of the experts. That's somewhat silly, don't you think?
IQ has absolutely nothing to do with how much one knows. IQ is the ability or capacity to learn. There are different IQ tests for any level of knowledge right down to knowing nothing. Tests can use such things as shapes, physical items instead of numbers, reaction times, etc for folks who know next to nothing.
Guns, Germs and Steel is perhaps a viable theory for why different civilizations separate and unknown to each other evolved differently based on environmental factors. However, it fails to explain why the differences persist to the degree that they do in the World today. Everyone knows about all of the advances now and it has been that way for a very long time. Yet Africa still fails to learn about much of this and fails to apply any of it to any significant degree.
You can turn yourself into a pretzel coming up with theory after theory for why Africa is not more developed than it is today. I'm sure your list would be impressively long. There would be different reasons for the problems in this country and different reasons for the problems in Haiti and different reasons for the problems in Zimbabwe and different reasons for the current decline in South Africa, etc, etc.
But I have ONE theory that explains it all.
- Reel
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