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See the thing is whites and non-blacks try to downplay the scars that AA/Blacks have dealt with by saying "Theyre crying." or "They think theyre victims." and thats not the reality of the situation. Thats just white peoples own insecurity.
Sorry, but I think the reason people don't succeed as a group is because they see themselves as victims and the group leaders and the do-gooders outside the group who perpetuate their victim status aren't doing them any favors by reinforcing that they think they need special help. It's also why Asian Americans (of all Asian national origins) are viewed favorably as successful. Is it true? I don't know but I don't seem to hear about people picking on them or that they need special help to succeed. All of the stereotypes I know of them are positive ones: Excellent students, self-sufficient business owners, computer/computer software wizards, etc.. Why no negative stereotypes? Because no one out there is pounding the "victim" beat on their behalf in the media and because we see their successes with our own eyes when we sit next to them in school, visit their businesses, see the names on our software, etc.
In the African American community, there are people in the victimology business. Their whole power (and income) is derived from the group they serve, continuing to think they are in need of special help...so the "leaders" perpetuate it. There are African Americans who are doing really well...and we never hear about them from those leaders in the victimology business because it would be bad for business. And, the media doesn't typically report on group success stories.
And if I were Cuban American or Puerto Rican, for example, I'd distance myself from the Hispanic lumping in with Mexican illegals that's going on these days and try to get people to think of me as Cuban American and Puerto Rican. They were doing just fine as groups until the illegal immigration thing blew up and the government and media started blurring the lines by calling everyone who speaks Spanish, the general "hispanic." They don't all have the same issues. Do you think they give a rat's patootey about issues related to illegal immigration? They are not victims in need of special help and need to keep their image that way so they continue to succeed.
And don't get me started on women who think they are victims because of those leaders, the government and the media convincing them that they are victims. They're not even a minority group, for cryin' out loud, they're the majority.
Sorry, but I think the reason people don't succeed as a group is because they see themselves as victims and the group leaders and the do-gooders outside the group who perpetuate their victim status aren't doing them any favors by reinforcing that they think they need special help. It's also why Asian Americans (of all Asian national origins) are viewed favorably as successful. Is it true? I don't know but I don't seem to hear about people picking on them or that they need special help to succeed. All of the stereotypes I know of them are positive ones: Excellent students, self-sufficient business owners, computer/computer software wizards, etc.. Why no negative stereotypes? Because no one out there is pounding the "victim" beat on their behalf in the media and because we see their successes with our own eyes when we sit next to them in school, visit their businesses, see the names on our software, etc.
On this very page, if not on the previous page, an informed poster very thoroughly sums up why Asian Americans don't have the stigma other groups have and why they succeed at higher rates. Your reasoning is a fantastic oversimplification.
I haven't read all the responses here but let me educate you about the Asians living in North America. There are two types
1) The ones who inter-marry each other & live in an Asian ghetto which is "gated" and "protected" by lion statues. Its called CHINA TOWN. They dine on traditional Chinese food eg dog meat etc, the barbeque chicken you see hanging in their restaurants. If you are not Asian/Chinese you have not been there much & frankly you have not much reason to go there as everything is written in Chinese & you are not interested in their "exotic cuisine" as to you, those things are pets not food!
(I'm not making up that Chinese eat dog meat its well documented Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so please dont attack me, attack wikipedia as I'm just but the messenger. )
2) The tiny Asian woman who escapes scenario (1) above to marry the tall white guy. Asian women are known for desparately escaping their ghetto/ Chinatown by marrying the white man & this interbreeding dramatically dilutes scenario (1) and creates a situation where you see "Asian" kids in colleges. These are the kids with "white fathers" & who dont speak Chinese. They basically look Chinese to white folks but to Chinese pple they are one step from white. Amongst the Chinese they are called the "bananas".
3) I haven't personally come across any "prosperous" Chinese/ Asian people but if the are, then attribute that to (2) above.
The problem is that alot of whites are beginning to embrace having kids out of wedlock as well.
Its not a racial thing, but it is a cultural problem.
You beat me to the punch and what is the excuse there? Unfortunately, There is a history in this country in reference to the out of wedlock/illegitimate child and Black women. This came in the form of either affairs or using "the buck" of the plantation to reproduce children.
My question is in every city in America the worst area and most poor area is Black and the second most poor or dangerous is Hispanic but how and why have Asians bucked this minority trend? Go to the casino in Milwaukee and the high roller tables and rooms are all full of Asians and all engineering/math classes in college are either Indian or Asian. I suppose things are different in LA and SF but in Milwaukee we have a low Asian population but a high black and Hispanic population we have around 50-60,000 Asians. All our Asians for the most part are well educated well mannered and clean orderly people. Even the blue collar Asians have very nice homes and nice yards and you never see a Asian homeless guy in Milwaukee or anywhere else that I have seen. Milwaukee averages around 115-130 homicides even though last year we only had 70, not one Asian was killed or arrested for a homicide.
So if Asians were brought here by the white man to build the railroads and Hispanics immigrated here and blacks were brought here by slavery and all three ethnicity's started from the bottom why haven't Asians fallen into the "trap" that some claim that the man is holding them back and it's a white man's world...well the Asians have progressed and other ethnic backgrounds haven't why? I have seen many poor Asians that take such good care of there house and cars even thought they only make very little money and they are very polite people.
Another thing, I have talked to many immigrant Africans who don't like American black people b/c of the way they act and conduct themselves and I have been asked by people from Africa why are American blacks so violent in America? I have been told by many immigrants from Africa that say "they should be so happy just to be in America they have no reason to be mad and depressed"
So how have Asians Americans advanced and progressed and blacks and Hispanics not ? I'm talking as a whole society. You don't see Asian hoods in every city or Indian thugs on every corner in the hood.
A lot of asians actually migrated here, they were not all brought here by the white man to build railroads . As for why do asians wind up being successful? Culturally they are brought up to become successful. Inculturation is another strong factor as well, mostly if you parents are successful the children are taught to become successful too.
As for the explanation in the "achievement gap" prevalent in African Americans and Latinos, It isn't a cultural or race thing. Just plain economic differences.
I haven't read all the responses here but let me educate you about the Asians living in North America. There are two types
1) The ones who inter-marry each other & live in an Asian ghetto which is "gated" and "protected" by lion statues. Its called CHINA TOWN. They dine on traditional Chinese food eg dog meat etc, the barbeque chicken you see hanging in their restaurants. If you are not Asian/Chinese you have not been there much & frankly you have not much reason to go there as everything is written in Chinese & you are not interested in their "exotic cuisine" as to you, those things are pets not food!
(I'm not making up that Chinese eat dog meat its well documented Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so please dont attack me, attack wikipedia as I'm just but the messenger. )
2) The tiny Asian woman who escapes scenario (1) above to marry the tall white guy. Asian women are known for desparately escaping their ghetto/ Chinatown by marrying the white man & this interbreeding dramatically dilutes scenario (1) and creates a situation where you see "Asian" kids in colleges. These are the kids with "white fathers" & who dont speak Chinese. They basically look Chinese to white folks but to Chinese pple they are one step from white. Amongst the Chinese they are called the "bananas".
3) I haven't personally come across any "prosperous" Chinese/ Asian people but if the are, then attribute that to (2) above.
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Really?!?!?!??!?
Please just stop.
I haven't read all the responses here but let me educate you about the Asians living in North America. There are two types
1) The ones who inter-marry each other & live in an Asian ghetto which is "gated" and "protected" by lion statues. Its called CHINA TOWN. They dine on traditional Chinese food eg dog meat etc, the barbeque chicken you see hanging in their restaurants. If you are not Asian/Chinese you have not been there much & frankly you have not much reason to go there as everything is written in Chinese & you are not interested in their "exotic cuisine" as to you, those things are pets not food!
(I'm not making up that Chinese eat dog meat its well documented Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so please dont attack me, attack wikipedia as I'm just but the messenger. )
2) The tiny Asian woman who escapes scenario (1) above to marry the tall white guy. Asian women are known for desparately escaping their ghetto/ Chinatown by marrying the white man & this interbreeding dramatically dilutes scenario (1) and creates a situation where you see "Asian" kids in colleges. These are the kids with "white fathers" & who dont speak Chinese. They basically look Chinese to white folks but to Chinese pple they are one step from white. Amongst the Chinese they are called the "bananas".
3) I haven't personally come across any "prosperous" Chinese/ Asian people but if the are, then attribute that to (2) above.
I can agree with this mostly.
I have seen this pattern in NYC.
Except that with point 2, there are "Asian kids" who are born of Asian parents too, who excel at school.
On 3, I have come across prosperous folks who are purely Asian, but they are rare compared to their not-so-well-off peers.
What's Wrong With Blacks, Hispanics but Not Asians?
Why don't you ask all of the Blacks, Hispanics and Asians that you know.
[Seriously??? These kinds of dumb f__k kinds of questions actually pass as intellectual discourse?]
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. As for why do asians wind up being successful? Culturally they are brought up to become successful. Inculturation is another strong factor as well, mostly if you parents are successful the children are taught to become successful too. 