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Old 05-11-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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My question is in every city in America the worst area and most poor area is Black and the second most poor or dangerous is Hispanic but how and why have Asians bucked this minority trend? Go to the casino in Milwaukee and the high roller tables and rooms are all full of Asians and all engineering/math classes in college are either Indian or Asian. I suppose things are different in LA and SF but in Milwaukee we have a low Asian population but a high black and Hispanic population we have around 50-60,000 Asians. All our Asians for the most part are well educated well mannered and clean orderly people. Even the blue collar Asians have very nice homes and nice yards and you never see a Asian homeless guy in Milwaukee or anywhere else that I have seen. Milwaukee averages around 115-130 homicides even though last year we only had 70, not one Asian was killed or arrested for a homicide.

So if Asians were brought here by the white man to build the railroads and Hispanics immigrated here and blacks were brought here by slavery and all three ethnicity's started from the bottom why haven't Asians fallen into the "trap" that some claim that the man is holding them back and it's a white man's world...well the Asians have progressed and other ethnic backgrounds haven't why? I have seen many poor Asians that take such good care of there house and cars even thought they only make very little money and they are very polite people.

Another thing, I have talked to many immigrant Africans who don't like American black people b/c of the way they act and conduct themselves and I have been asked by people from Africa why are American blacks so violent in America? I have been told by many immigrants from Africa that say "they should be so happy just to be in America they have no reason to be mad and depressed"

So how have Asians Americans advanced and progressed and blacks and Hispanics not ? I'm talking as a whole society. You don't see Asian hoods in every city or Indian thugs on every corner in the hood.

 
Old 05-11-2009, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Philly, Philly
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Im not going to even begin to address this becuase my motto with things like this is to kill ignorance with intelligence.

What I suggest you do is take a class called The Psychology of the Black Experience, or read a book about it. There is a lot to this issue with out just looking at the outside of the issue. Its deep and complex.

Here is an article: https://blackboard.temple.edu/@@BDCEB08C1014B105DA595D5B134FCBC3/courses/1/1216200811119/content/_1409644_1/Akbar%20Psy%20Legacy%20of%20Slavery.pdf (broken link)


However, if you didn't want an intellectual explaination then troll on!

I forgot to add that not all blacks live in the ghetto and murder and steal, or all in jail.

Black Student College Graduation Rates Remain Low, But Modest Progress Begins to Show
 
Old 05-11-2009, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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However, if you didn't want an intellectual explaination then troll on!

I forgot to add that not all blacks live in the ghetto and murder and steal, or all in jail.
Again I'm not trolling but just asking a question that other have asked as well, and I never said ALL blacks and Hispanics. I'm just asking why are US ghetto's black or Hispanic and not Asian or Indian or polish.

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Im not going to even begin to address this becuase my motto with things like this is to kill ignorance with intelligence.
First Off use Spell Check! I'm not ignorant!!! this questions has been posed by many sociology professors and "intellectual" types for years I have taken several classes about this and was just wondering if anyone had any other observations or theories to why some ethnic groups progress more than other ethnic groups. Why don't you see Asian hood's or Indian hoods in every city. Then compare drop out rates and teen birth rates among theses groups. just wondering why blacks seem to be number one and Hispanics number two and I know there are more blacks and Hispanics than Asians. I also believe being poor is no excuse for crime, I was poor and raised in a very poor area and most of my Puerto Rican friends never been to jail and we were all poor but I can't say the same for my black friends.
 
Old 05-11-2009, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Philly, Philly
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Again I'm not trolling but just asking a question that other have asked as well, and I never said ALL blacks and Hispanics. I'm just asking why are US ghetto's black or Hispanic and not Asian or Indian or polish.



First Off use Spell Check! I'm not ignorant!!! this questions has been posed by many sociology professors and "intellectual" types for years I have taken several classes about this and was just wondering if anyone had any other observations or theories to why some ethnic groups progress more than other ethnic groups. Why don't you see Asian hood's or Indian hoods in every city. Then compare drop out rates and teen birth rates among theses groups. just wondering why blacks seem to be number one and Hispanics number two and I know there are more blacks and Hispanics than Asians. I also believe being poor is no excuse for crime, I was poor and raised in a very poor area and most of my Puerto Rican friends never been to jail and we were all poor but I can't say the same for my black friends.
I gave you suggestions to where you can find those answers. Another book is "Guns, Germ's and Steel" if you want to know why people progress and other's do not.

Asians do live in "ghettos", they are called enclaves. In every major city there are "Chinatown's" and not all are very pleasant to be in. Take New York's for example. Very big, and most people there do not speak any english at all. Every miniority lives within their own community at some point.


To address high school drop out rates: these are only comparisons between non-Hispanic and black people:The percentage of non-Hispanic whites (89 percent) and blacks (80 percent) who had a high school diploma or higher marked new highs.US Census Press Releases (http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/education/001863.html - broken link)

Hispanics have the lowest graduation rate in this country so I do not know about your assertion that blacks are number one.

Asian culture and worldview is very different from American culture as a whole. They excel above all racial groups so why not ask " What about their culture that makes them intellectually more superior?"

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Old 05-11-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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Also since you are Puerto Rican, and you made the distinction, are you not apart of the Latino community, who is also plagued with issues? You have set yourself apart as an individual, not representing your whole racial group, so why do you make the same generaliztions for all blacks, Asians and Indians?
I'm not Puerto Rican I'm A polish American, I'm not even going to debate you since you cannot even spell or look into my personal profile and see that I'm white and Polish before getting all offended and worked up and calling me ignorant just do your best to answer the question in a respectful manner.
 
Old 05-11-2009, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Philly, Philly
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I'm not Puerto Rican I'm A polish American, I'm not even going to debate you since you cannot even spell or look into my personal profile and see that I'm white and Polish before getting all offended and worked up and calling me ignorant just do your best to answer the question in a respectful manner.
I read that wrong and ok I mispelled BECAUSE and generalizations...whats a letter here and there? I type fast. Get over it.

I answered everything you wanted to be answered but i guess thats not what you wanted! Good Day!
 
Old 05-11-2009, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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It is easy to forget about the factor of time.

This is a people that was stripped away from their homes, almost exclusively illiterate and innumerate cultures, over a period of some 200 years. They were enslaved in the US in large numbers, especially toward the end of the slavery system of the South. Forced to live under Jim Crow and appalling immorality, ignorance, and racial hatred on the part of the South and the addition of economic hatred in the Industrial North. Then they undergo repeated lynchings and arson smokeouts for several generations.

Then we reach the 1950s and post-WW2 America and blacks and whites draw the lines in the sand. The assassination of MLK precedes the combination of White flight, White guilt, White resentment, the rise of pocket-stuffing Black Elites and Racial burnouts leading to apathy over the socioeconomic torture chambers of tenement housing in the inner cities. This brings us to 1980.

Before we get into a discussion over contemporary factors, I assure you, resolution of the above would take anywhere from 6-12 generations of consistent investment, positivism and commitment of both Blacks and Non-Blacks. The task is not only to overcome the egregious grievances of the past but to build from scratch something almost completely anew: an identity, a past, a place in modern technical world. It would also take hundreds of millions of $$.

Now, we are back in 1980 and perhaps a little earlier, when the combo of drugs, the virtual disintegration of the Black Family, Black flight of elites, Visceral White guilt, Black Athlete worship, the corporatism of professional sports, the shameful behavior of black males toward fatherhood, and the explosion of teen pregnancies but the most ignorant and economically hopeless of girls, and the tragedy of the faux Black leadership and political charlatans, blood-sucking minorities within the minority, all conspire to sentence millions of American Blacks to as deep a poverty trap as we have ever seen. For those trapped at the worst depths and without the robust family networks from which to draw support and encouragement, it seems near impossible that an exit will appear even in 20 generations. Can you really blame the desperate attempts to "worship" the false gods of sports/TV celebrities or to manufacture the past they never had (Afrocentrism & Egypt) or wish to establish (Kwanzaa)?

Furthermore, all the above conspire to institutionalize the virtual removal of American Blacks from civilized International society and then sentences many other middle class Blacks to the psychological trap of Victimization (as noted in the reference).

Since about 1980, we have seen Black America implode under a complex myriad of factors, conditions that have become increasingly self-inflicted. Tragic.

However, from my POV, to strip away the past would strip away all context, something which in my opinion makes for horrible policy analysis. At the same time, blacks, and by this I mean American blacks, have great need to burn once and for all their bogeymans (say in a ceremonial ritualistic sense): The Man, Victimization, and every legitimate excuse and instead focus on the goshdarn future, regardless if they have the right to howl incessantly at the moon and the origins of their context. They must get on with life!

They must count on themselves and use racial hatred not as tiresome all-purpose excuse, but as motivation to excel in areas thought to be off limits to American Blacks: Math Olympiads, Robotics, Biogenetics, Theoretical Physics, Electrical Engineering, Financial Engineering, mathematical Statistics, Classical Greek or Latin, etc. and eschew the roads of sociology, education, etc. which do not give them the absolute standards they need to shake off the yoke of history.

But all this will take time. These things do not happen overnight. 1964 was just two generations ago. While I wish it were sooner than later (as I not only love and root for the underdog, I have a in-law who is African American with roots in the South), their time will come. And you know, Black America has made so many seminal contributions to our culture and sense of Self and in the most competitive of arenas, I think there is sufficient cause for optimism...

S.
 
Old 05-11-2009, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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I answered everything you wanted to be answered but i guess thats not what you wanted! Good Day!
When I post a question in forum's like these I would like responses or answers from what "WE" think not others think. I would like to hear what YOU think not links to where you can find a number of answers from other people this is not ask.com. You also misspelled 4 words.(don't worry about it, just being accurate).
 
Old 05-11-2009, 04:36 PM
 
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This might help , a partial list of African Americans who were still being lynched up till the anti lynching bill finally passed in around 1937, how many Asians were being lynched in America for having a nice house, nice car , being educated, and being a self sufficient business man.
http://150.174.33.57/isrr/names.htm
 
Old 05-11-2009, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Philly, Philly
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Ok what I think. I gave you links to explain and help you understand in a more scholarly way...they are not from about.com.

Like I previously stated, there are flaws in EVERY minority group. also EVERY minority group lives within its own constructs, called enclaves.

Worldviews are very different from one another and we all do not have the answers. For Blacks, I would say that the pschological abuse that was endured during enslavement has manifested itself in our culture today. This is not to make up for the wrongs, but it has a lot to do with it.
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