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Old 05-20-2009, 10:19 AM
 
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Ahhhh I get it now. You must be a disgruntled contractor, or know a disgruntled contractor.

No sir, I am a bonafide federal employee, and proud of it. And before you tell me to get back to work, I suggest you get a job. Then perhaps the envy you feel will go away.

If your part of any company that depends on government contracts the average is 10% waste;fraud and abuse by governmnet figures.
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Old 05-20-2009, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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If your part of any company that depends on government contracts the average is 10% waste;fraud and abuse by governmnet figures.
As a management consultant before I retired, I saw a lot of companies. Most mangement teams were rather limited in their skills. One of the most surprising things that I saw was the actual productive time of nearly all workers. In almost every company I went to, the company received about 6 hours of productivity for every paid 8 hour day. This is because of: bathroom breaks, staff meetings, hallway conversations, and on and on. In reviewing governmental agencies, the productivity numbers were no worse--no better either.

Interestingly, when government agencies hired private contractors, the numbers were still about the same. The only reason that private contractors were able to complete tasks quicker is that they were hired for specific tasks and had far fewer interruptions. The government workers had to deal with an enormous amount of interruptions caused by the competing constituencies they are required to serve. Neither workers in companies, nor contractors hired by the government, has to deal with that very real, and time consuming issue.
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Seems like all companies are laying off workers and closing plants. Why not the federal government? After all, they had a pretty bad year too. The federal government caused much of the economic mess we are in.

I say we lay off one-third of our federal bureaucrats. It would lighten our tax burden. And besides, there are at least that many lazy federal bureaucrats who arenít really doing much to earn their salaries.
Completely aside from the bureaucrats--heaven knows there are more of them than necessary to run the government--there are also their staffs.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Government workers are a sure vote for one political party and that is why that one political party wants the federal government expanded. It's the same reason why they want to put illegal immigrants on a path to citizenship. It's all about political power.

That being said, my sister lost her government job in a Reduction In Force (RIF) so it does happen.
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Old 05-21-2009, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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Government workers are a sure vote for one political party .
That's not a true statement.
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Old 05-21-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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It is a well known fact of American life that we don't always fulfill our obligations with gusto, nor do we run around the workplace at breakneck speed to deliver the most efficient performance we can. I think we are seeing the beginnings of an economic disaster and everybody is looking around to see if they can spot the people who might share in the blame for this terrible debacle, they're mad as hell. Of course many folk's will be trying with all their might to deflect the blame that they should rightfully own up to, but I won't be holding my breath. It bothered me to read the OP's opinion regarding the notions he had about federal employee's, I was wondering why someone wouldn't also include the private sector in any rant on inefficient labor forces, did he feel powerless because corporations are "private". After reading through the resulting angry posts I could hear the familiar retorts from those folk's who insist on their position as being the only valid way to view a particular subject. Wall Street takes a bigger bite out of our pockets than we spend on our total taxes, this and the fact that we would have no say in matters originating from mega-corp America, is a big part of the rub. People have become accustomed to thinking and believing that we, the taxpayers have a say, now a lot of people laugh at such notions, but a large amount of the American populace believes this way. I have tried to make a point of having a point in these discussions, a debate after all is nothing if it can't be a give and take. Wrapping anothers post in quotations and then responding with a quick rebuttal minus any new info, is not an in-depth response. So here is my point, yes the government is not as efficient as it could be, yes the government could go on without a substantial number of it's employee's, and yes, this all adds up to more taxes to be paid by you. The question remains regarding the possibility that the Feds will cheerfully send you a rebate for the big savings you turned them onto, you know, where one third of the Government's workforce is canned. To argue the merits of Government effeciency is to think that we are somhow capable of creating any impact on that situation. The bloated, bling driven culture and it's partner, the corporate state, makes so little sense in the first place. What we could really use is a rethinking of our national construct. Do we want to go on and on finding the holes in our societal fabric as it now exists, or change our minds on what constitutes our most pressing priorities? I personally will be happy when I see the real culprits in this inequitable sytem brought to the fore and exposed, Wall Street and the politicians have had a comfortable ride for a long time, if you want to see the reason for big government just take a look at what the wall street crowd has been doing and thus the need for a large, no, super large, entity to administer the transferrence of wealth from your pockets to America's largest corporations. This type of "re-distributive" construct is just what Corporation's have been calling a "socialistic" menace, only now, they are enjoying this "new socialism" wherein corporations take the spoils from our taxes and spread the wealth in their own tight circle. I don't lie awake nights worrying about the dollars I'm giving up in taxes, but I have had some fitfull days thinking about how that money and labor could be better spent...
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Old 05-21-2009, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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I tell you what--go find both of the lazy, worthless government workers, let me know who and where they are, and I'll fire both of them.

Can you name two?
I didn't think you could name two. So, I have to conclude that your statements are all based on bar-room talk, and not on evidence.
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Old 05-21-2009, 02:34 PM
 
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Man, I was just thinking that this reminds me of a bunch of people sitting in a bar.

Same people that see someone at the top driving a government owned car or one person that is doing some kind of "wasteful" spending and then throw up a big bunch of talk on their third drink.

So, what do they do they make huge cuts and do they come from the top. Like, no. We should not be paying for them to have water. As if everyone stands around the water cooler. We aren't going to pay overtime we will do comptime. Ok. Does that printer still have a light that comes on, then bygod, it works.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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Man, I was just thinking that this reminds me of a bunch of people sitting in a bar. .
I've worked for government and private industry both. The government work was much more difficult, and paid less. Like I said in previous posts, "Thank God for the private sector."
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Old 05-21-2009, 06:08 PM
 
Location: USA
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I've worked for government and private industry both. The government work was much more difficult, and paid less. Like I said in previous posts, "Thank God for the private sector."

I have too. And you're right, there are many instances where non government employees make more money than government employess... that is GS Employees. SES payscales are quite comfortable.

I'm not sitting here saying that there is no such thing as fraud waste and abuse of government money. I see it and hear about it all the time, and it makes me sick. However, when people like the original poster make such rash harsh statements apparently about all government employees, I take offense to that.
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