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Old 06-04-2009, 04:26 PM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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The fact that he presented is that Monsanto is a corporate entity, whose directors formed and continue to operate the enterprise to increase their own wealth. They are not people who have taken vows of poverty in order to dedicate their lives and talents and fortunes in support of ascetic or altruistic goals, as you so ardently want us to believe they are. Every decision they make is based solely on one single overriding consideration: Transferring money from other people to Monsanto shareholders.
This is very interesting - and telling.

The point of ANY and EVERY business is to turn a profit.

Consistently losing money leads to bankruptcy. And that, apparently, would make General Motors an entity straight from God.
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Old 06-04-2009, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I now a wait another substance-free response, maybe even a link to another factless blog calling a company "goons"....wow that's hard hitting investigative journalism. )
Another one? We're still waiting for your first post to offer a link. You've posted 15 times on this thread, and not a single one contains a single line that purports to be a verifiable (or deniable) fact.

You have again proven that you don't even read anybody else's posts. What you call a factless blog was in fact a transcript from a network farm broadcast, quoting a recognized commentator for 40 years on American agriculture. Said authority now being banned from the network, because of pressure by your sweet little harmless darlings at Monsanto to have him shut up. If he was nothing but a "factless blog", why was it so important for Monsanto to go to so much trouble to get him off the media?

Mesnwhile, you have not yet offered anything but a bunch of rolleyes emoticons..

Here is a summary of eight specific recent incidents of wrongdoing by Monsanto. Here is your opportunity to prove that you are right, but addressing some of them and submitting factual links to show conclusively that Monsanto has not conducted itself as charged.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfm

You might start with the one about the 90-year old Maine dairy, that is being sued by Monsanto for stating on their label that their milk does not contain a Monsanto product that has been banned in every country except the USA. Prove that that one is groundless, or else just go away with your cute little rolleyes emoticon.

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Old 06-04-2009, 06:54 PM
 
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I spent the last 24 hours with my dad, the 73-year old farmer.

We talked about all the stuff that is being alleged on this thread.

He just laughed.

And he rolled his eyes.

I guess it's not only teenagers who can roll their eyes.
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Old 06-05-2009, 01:55 AM
 
Location: Sonoita
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You might start with the one about the 90-year old Maine dairy, that is being sued by Monsanto for stating on their label that their milk does not contain a Monsanto product that has been banned in every country except the USA. Prove that that one is groundless, or else just go away with your cute little rolleyes emoticon.
You might try this link to an organization in Maine Farmers against Monsanto.MAINE DAIRY SUED BY MONSANTO (http://www.keepmainefree.org/monsanto.html - broken link)
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Old 06-05-2009, 02:02 AM
 
Location: Sonoita
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So your position is that making a return on an investment is evil. Most reasonable people don't view corporations or thier investors as inherently evil.
Granted some behave better than others...but your definition can apply to pretty much every single corporation.

I now a wait another substance-free response, maybe even a link to another factless blog calling a company "goons"....wow that's hard hitting investigative journalism.


Look out! The topsoil deathstar is charging it's worm cannon!
Unfortunately giving a substance free response only gets us back an under the influence backlash. No one has problems with anyone making an honest dollar. It when a company resorts to lying , cheating, bullying and damaging the planet that most rational thinking people have a problem with. With the latest financial mess exposed it would seem Monsanto is not alone in screwing world citizens out of every nickle and dime they can extract by force out of them.
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Old 06-05-2009, 02:32 AM
 
Location: Sonoita
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Another one? We're still waiting for your first post to offer a link. You've posted 15 times on this thread, and not a single one contains a single line that purports to be a verifiable (or deniable) fact.
I go along with that obsevation. For an amazing math wiz, there is not one fact other than neanderthal retort and rants. But getting back to facts and updates from the first quarter of this year, take a look at this company's continued dirty politicings.U.S. Monsanto Dropped a Cool $2 Million on Lobbying in Q1 2009: US: Monsanto dropped a cool $2 million on lobbying in Q1 2009

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Monsanto is lobbying for passage of Bills: HR 875 and also Senate Bill 384. The Bill's sponsor is Rosa Delauro of Connecticut. She is married to political strategist Stan Greenberg who has done contract work for Monsanto in the past.
Well here's the official Monsanto Lobbying Report for the first quarter of 2009: http://www2.grist.org/files/Monsanto...obby%20Rpt.pdf
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:34 AM
 
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I go along with that obsevation. For an amazing math wiz, there is not one fact other than neanderthal retort and rants. But getting back to facts and updates from the first quarter of this year, take a look at this company's continued dirty politicings.U.S. Monsanto Dropped a Cool $2 Million on Lobbying in Q1 2009: US: Monsanto dropped a cool $2 million on lobbying in Q1 2009

Well here's the official Monsanto Lobbying Report for the first quarter of 2009: http://www2.grist.org/files/Monsanto...obby%20Rpt.pdf
OMG! They spent money on lobbyists? A whopping 2mil? Um....I'm betting Oprah spent more than that on Obama. (I like them both, guess that makes me ******evil******muah hah hah hah)

Wow.

I'm not the one making claims. It's hillarious that you guys offer no actual proof and then cry that I can't prove a false-negative lol.....omg....I'm rolling on the floor. Have you quit beating your wife type stuff and you don't even get it?
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:39 AM
 
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You might try this link to an organization in Maine Farmers against Monsanto.MAINE DAIRY SUED BY MONSANTO (http://www.keepmainefree.org/monsanto.html - broken link)
I personally hope the dairy's win the case.
However, unlike you...I do not support the denial of due process to people or corporations in this country because I don't like them.

Any other groups in this country you don't feel should have the right to sue? Maybe people we could round up to make you feel better? Heck, let's just gas-em?

I personally find your intolerance and willingness to suspend the constitution if you don't *like* someone or something rather frightening. Are you Dick Cheney?
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:41 AM
 
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Another one? We're still waiting for your first post to offer a link. You've posted 15 times on this thread, and not a single one contains a single line that purports to be a verifiable (or deniable) fact.

You have again proven that you don't even read anybody else's posts. What you call a factless blog was in fact a transcript from a network farm broadcast, quoting a recognized commentator for 40 years on American agriculture. Said authority now being banned from the network, because of pressure by your sweet little harmless darlings at Monsanto to have him shut up. If he was nothing but a "factless blog", why was it so important for Monsanto to go to so much trouble to get him off the media?

Mesnwhile, you have not yet offered anything but a bunch of rolleyes emoticons..

Here is a summary of eight specific recent incidents of wrongdoing by Monsanto. Here is your opportunity to prove that you are right, but addressing some of them and submitting factual links to show conclusively that Monsanto has not conducted itself as charged.

Millions Against Monsanto Campaign - Organic Consumers Association

You might start with the one about the 90-year old Maine dairy, that is being sued by Monsanto for stating on their label that their milk does not contain a Monsanto product that has been banned in every country except the USA. Prove that that one is groundless, or else just go away with your cute little rolleyes emoticon.
Burden of proof is on you skippy. I can link to a blog saying you pulled the moon from it's orbit....it's all good.
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:52 AM
 
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i am no expert on farming, nor do i know any american farmers personally.

but even as an ordinary city-dwelling consumer in europe, i do care about health and nutrition as they are largely dominated by monsanto ...

the arguments brought forward here, are puzzling to me.

the case against monsanto - Google Search

needs much time to read .... about concerns beyond one's own interests.
don't just hate me for trying to get your attention ....

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