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Old 05-19-2009, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Yes, and Enron didn't do anything wrong, either. All of those false reports to the contrary are just another conspiracy theory. And that phony tabloid story about Union Carbide's plant in India, put out by the same phony Indian news agency as this one. How could a news agency in India possibly know more about corporate activities in India than Omaha Rocks?
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:19 PM
 
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"Through the patent, Monsanto has garnered monopoly rights over the traditional characteristics of wheat variety. It crossed Nap-Hal, a traditional Indian land race, with other plants that are conventionally bred, not genetically modified. The patent was granted for 13 European countries, Japan, Australia and Canada.

"Monsanto's patent covers biscuits, flour and dough produced from this wheat, as well as the plants themselves. This means that the company could, in future, take legal action not only against farmers and scientists trying to breed wheat varieties with similar genetic traits, but also bakeries, confectioners and supermarkets if they produce or sell biscuits and other foods made from patented wheat."


InfoChange India News & Features development news India - Monsanto patents Indian wheat gene (http://infochangeindia.org/200309152839/Trade-Development/News-Scan/Monsanto-patents-Indian-wheat-gene.html - broken link)

You just linked to a HACK job of a news source...and even that source doesnt support your claims that they have the world bank and IMF forcing their use.

Have you looked at the production effects of hybrid crops? You do realize that staples like corn and wheat sell for prices similar to 20, 50, 70 years ago? Yep, all those improvements in production keeping prices down...sounds like an evil thing to me.
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:22 PM
 
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Yes, and Enron didn't do anything wrong, either. All of those false reports to the contrary are just another conspiracy theory. And that phony tabloid story about Union Carbide's plant in India, put out by the same phony Indian news agency as this one. How could a news agency in India possibly know more about corporate activities in India than Omaha Rocks?
Union Carbides plant in India was BUILT, OWNED and RUN by the wealthy elite in India...yeah, shocking that when one of their own employees went postal and sabotaged the facility that had been built INCORRECTLY...that they would pass the buck to US facilities. But it's pretty cool how the anti-US capitalist crowd has latched onto this without any facts...nothing new though....just more proofless, drug induced innuendo....DUDE!
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:39 PM
 
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I have no respect for Monsanto due to their legal argument that anyone whose land produces Monsanto-patented crops - by choice or not - owes the company royalties.

Let's say you are a soybean or canola farmer who does not use Monsanto products (or GM crops at all), but your neighbor does. The wind blows seeds over during the planting season, and some take root on your land, without your consent, and certainly without you desiring this to happen.

Then Monsanto's agents come through, take samples of your plants while you aren't looking as part of their "compliance" program, and leave.

Next thing you hear from them is a letter from their attornies demanding royalty payments, and that you not save seeds from that harvest for the next season.

Sorry - I can't endorse that sort of behavior.
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:45 PM
 
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The plant in Bhopal was owned 51% by Union Carbide Corporation, a USA company, and 49% by Indian interests. UCC has 51% of the responsibility for its safety.

A few relevant lines from the Wikipedia article indicate that the cause was not as clear-cut and one-sided as you described, and there is no basis to exculpate the American interests:

UCC also maintains that this route was not possible, and that it was an act of sabotage by a "disgruntled worker" who introduced water directly into the tank. However, the company's investigation team found no evidence of the necessary connection.

Analysis shows that the parties responsible for the magnitude of the disaster are the two owners, Union Carbide Corporation and the Government of India, and to some extent, the Government of Madhya Pradesh.
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Old 05-20-2009, 04:19 AM
 
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I'm sorry, but if you read that article, you'll see that it is absurd.

It's nothing more than conspiracy theory speculation. Yes, Monsanto IS patenting IT'S OWN HYBRIDS. But if you do some research, you'll find that EVERY seed company patents its hybrids.

This is nothing new, and it's nothing unique to Monsanto.
You're absolutely correct. This attitude characterizes all major componants that are running our planet's ecosystems into the ground.

The problem with the Monsanto Question and that every SEED Co does what they do is that Monsanto has effectively destroyed the competition. They are indeeed after a monopoly and I can foresee a future of world wide lawsuits like have been used against Microsoft & Intel. But in the end , who really knows. The company definitely has a dirty track record and for the moment seem to be invincible to the flack which leads you to believe they may have several key political allies as a result to cleverly place donations in the right coffers.

This has also been discussed before as well. Here's a link to the small amount I found some time ago.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/8119910-post12.html

I have also been saddened to Monsanto getting into business agreements with Plant Health Care Inc. Although as PHC itself has gotten bigger as a corporation, who knows where such power and influence will lead. I just hope that the patenting of Mycorrhizae or genetic manipulation does'nt go forward with this industry as well. But again, this is the prevailing personality trait that characterizes the way our planet is run today and their evidenced failure to properly care for it when greed and power are the driving forces behind it.
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:28 AM
 
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Yes, and Enron didn't do anything wrong, either. All of those false reports to the contrary are just another conspiracy theory. And that phony tabloid story about Union Carbide's plant in India, put out by the same phony Indian news agency as this one. How could a news agency in India possibly know more about corporate activities in India than Omaha Rocks?
Look, if you want to get into a pissing match, that's fine. I'll let you do it with somebody else.

I grew up on a farm, my 73-year old dad still farms, and my brother manages a big farmland cooperative.

I can assure you that a LOT of this Hippie-Hype about genetically modified crops, etc., is pure crap.

Look more closely: The story about Monsanto trying to patent the pig is OLD NEWS, and it's FALSE NEWS. They patented a gene tracers. That's all.

What's more... Monsanto now has no stock at all in anything pork-related. It was all sold off several years ago. Go figure!
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:30 AM
 
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I have no respect for Monsanto due to their legal argument that anyone whose land produces Monsanto-patented crops - by choice or not - owes the company royalties.
This is total BS, and is exactly the kind of false information people need to be smart enough to not believe.

Please tell me what you know about "RoundUp Ready" crops, before we proceed.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but unless you understand that patent, and those crops, there's not much point in even discussing the issue with you...
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:35 AM
 
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The problem with the Monsanto Question and that every SEED Co does what they do is that Monsanto has effectively destroyed the competition. They are indeeed after a monopoly and I can foresee a future of world wide lawsuits like have been used against Microsoft & Intel. But in the end , who really knows. The company definitely has a dirty track record and for the moment seem to be invincible to the flack which leads you to believe they may have several key political allies as a result to cleverly place donations in the right coffers.
I'm sorry, but that is absolutely FALSE. 100% untrue.

Monsanto has NOT destroyed the competition.

My brother runs a farmland cooperative, so he's rather "in the know" about these things. Would you like to know what brand of seed-corn they primarily sell? GARST SEED.

How is it possible that GARST Seed is being sold, if Monsanto has "destroyed the competition"?


I can assure you that that is just the tip of the iceberg. Garst Seed is ONE OF MANY seed companies. Have you ever heard of Pioneer? DeKalb?
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:12 AM
 
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They have done more than that. They have used their influence to pesuade the World Bank and IMF to refuse to loan money to countries that allow anybody to use a product that is not patented by Monsanto. If Monsanto patents a pig, a country will be required to ban all pigs that are not Monsanto pigs, and if they do not comply, the IMF will not let them participate in any global monetary plans.

Statements are easy to make;what you need is proof really, Unless and until you have nothing really.
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