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Old 05-21-2009, 02:58 PM
 
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I was talking to a group of people the other day. Several of them said that they had never had an abortion, and never would. They stated that they are dead-set against the idea of having an abortion. However, at the same time they said that they are very committed to the idea of being able to choose. They are as much pro-choice as they are pro-life.

Does this make sense to anyone?
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:13 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Does this make sense to anyone?
Actually it does. We live in a society where ‘it’s my way or the highway’ for many people. I do realize that the abortion issue is an extremely touchy subject, and I’m not even going to mention my own personal view on it. But here is where I believe these people are coming from (I’m stating what I think their philosophy might be):

I believe abortion to be wrong. I would never have one. Yet I also believe in free agency. You decide what you think the moral implications may be and go from there.

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Old 05-21-2009, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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They aren't really pro-life.

Most pro-lifers feel abortion is murder and, thus, should not be simply a personal choice. They support attempts to change the law.

That said, it is possible in my opinion to be both pro-life and pro-choice using a different line of thought. Some people hate abortion and would, when thinking in ideals, love for it to be banned. They realize, however, that abortion won't simply "go away" if a law is passed against it. These people strongly support discouraging abortion, while keeping a legal safe abortion option available if only to prevent women from having dangerous abortions that could threaten their lives as well.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Sure. I am. I wish there would never be anyone who would have an abortion. I wish all children were wanted, and those that arent could be places quickly and easily into adoptive homes. But that's not the way things are, so as an alternative, I wish all women would have the free choice of whether to carry an unwanted child to full term or not.

There is no conflict in my mind. I am pro-life, because I want all babies to be born and grow up in welcoming environments. I am pro-choice because I want all women to have the choice whether to have their baby or not. I don't understand why this is an issue.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:22 PM
 
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I was talking to a group of people the other day. Several of them said that they had never had an abortion, and never would. They stated that they are dead-set against the idea of having an abortion. However, at the same time they said that they are very committed to the idea of being able to choose. They are as much pro-choice as they are pro-life.

Does this make sense to anyone?
yes it makes a lot of sense. I think this is how a lot of people feel. I think it alll boils down to choice being the key
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:38 PM
 
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I was talking to a group of people the other day. Several of them said that they had never had an abortion, and never would. They stated that they are dead-set against the idea of having an abortion. However, at the same time they said that they are very committed to the idea of being able to choose. They are as much pro-choice as they are pro-life.

Does this make sense to anyone?
I'm not sure that this is a case of being pro-life and pro-choice. It sounds more like a case of being pro-choice. My read on this is that they are very committed to people having choices. They are making an individual "choice" to not have an abortion, while also leaving open the possibility for others to "choose" for themselves.

On another note, I do not think that abortion is necessarily a binary issue for some people. For many, their opinions are very much contingent upon the circumstances of the situation.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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So the real issue is whether you are Pro-Choice or Anti-Choice. The faction that calls themselves Pro-Life are not that at all. They are Anti-Choice. They don't care what happens to the fetus, as long as Mommy is denied her choice in the matter.

The Pro-Choice people are also Pro-Life. It is the Anti-Choice people are, apparently, also Pro-Life, but they are also inclined to being obstructionists and forcing other people to conform with their view.

How much of a commitment does it take to say "I want you to have your baby", and then close the door and go back into your house where you have no responsibility for the care or the wellbeing of the baby?

Anti-Choice doesn't seem very American, or even Humanitarian.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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So the real issue is whether you are Pro-Choice or Anti-Choice. The faction that calls themselves Pro-Life are not that at all. They are Anti-Choice. They don't care what happens to the fetus, as long as Mommy is denied her choice in the matter.

The Pro-Choice people are also Pro-Life. It is the Anti-Choice people are, apparently, also Pro-Life, but they are also inclined to being obstructionists and forcing other people to conform with their view.

How much of a commitment does it take to say "I want you to have your baby", and then close the door and go back into your house where you have no responsibility for the care or the wellbeing of the baby?

Anti-Choice doesn't seem very American, or even Humanitarian.
Anti-Choice great term
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:22 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Anti-Choice great term
Sadly, that term applies to lots of things it shouldn't in our budding big-brother society.

The idea of, you are free to choose to have an abortion... but don't you dare eat a Big Mac, has always seemed a bit ridiculous to me. Seems a bit of a double standard. If we are going to champion free agency, letís champion it across the board. Iím a firm advocate of Ďdo your thing and let others do theirs.í It's the 'let others do theirs' part that most folks have a real problem with.
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:48 PM
 
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Indeed, you can be both pro-choice and pro-life. If I were to get pregnant (which I can't, because I am a guy), I would probably birth the child and give it to a family who couldn't have kids. I am, however, totally in support of having the choice to do so. My mother was like that too. She got pregnant with me when she was a teenager. She decided not to get an abortion, but she is very thankful to live in a country where she had the freedom to choose.

That's the point of being Pro-Choice! We believe Americans should have the freedom to choose!

Pro-lifers are always saying to keep Uncle Sam's hand out of their wallets, but they want Uncle Sam's hand all up in their uterus.

Pro-choice is pro-freedom! Do what you want! = P
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