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Old 10-24-2009, 08:31 PM
Status: "Even better than okay" (set 7 days ago)
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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cant rep you (though should repo you )
Ba dum DUM.
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Old 10-25-2009, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I couldn't understand why this even became a debate topic, and 160 posts later, I still don't.

How could anybody have any problem with any institution hiring, at a negotiated fee in a competitive marketplace, a person to perform a necessary work or service that improves their viability and prospects for success? What is the issue here?
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:21 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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When I see a church with a pastor who is pocketing a salary that allows him to live above a typical middle class lifestyle, I'm looking at a church that isn't practicing what they preach. A church that is living up to the ideals of the New Testament doesn't have excess money to give a preacher--they should be sending it out into the community to help those who are less fortunate.

If a pastor is making above a middle class living, then that church's tax exempt status should be taken away. They are no longer "non-profit". Somebody is indeed profiting but it's definitely not those who should be.

As a non-Christian, I can tell you that these TV preachers with their multi-million dollar salaries and continued pleas/demands for money present a picture of Christianity as hypocrisy to the rest of the world. You all would do well to strip them of their so-called jobs and run them out of town on a rail.
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:46 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Well, we do know that God doesn't drive a BMW, because he drove Adam and Eve out of the garden in a Fury.
The disciples were sensible, they all shared a Honda - we know that they were "all in one Accord".
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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The disciples were sensible, they all shared a Honda - we know that they were "all in one Accord".

big groan here!---but clever
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Hermoso y tranquilo Panamá
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Sure, why not - IF they donate every penny of it to charity to help people who are out of work or underemployed, cannot afford decent healthcare, are losing their homes, schools that are being forced to cut back on essential programs, etc. Then they would be, shall we say, practicing what they're preaching which is 'Christian charity'.

If not, then they're no better than those fat cat CEO's that receive a multi-million dollar bonus for driving their company into BK.
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Boise
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Abhorrent? Really?

I suppose it's between the pastor and his flock to interpret what the Bible means to them and how it informs the relationship between them and their preacher. And if they still wanna pay him a million bucks, well, I guess that's their business.
So on one end of the scale we have a voluntary vow of near homelessness, and on the other we have millions of dollars and the most lavish of earthly delights. If the bible can be interpreted so widely that either of these two can be possible, why even have rules to adhere to? How can there be any consistency in the application of the bible?

So by this standard, can we interpret anything that's in the bible? Eventually there has to be a point where there is some solid ground, if not rules are useless. We can't say that speed limit 35 might not really mean that we are supposed to go 35 mph. Why should we be able to do this with the bible's rules? Moreover, how and (especially) why should we all be expected to adhere to the standards of Christians when these standards are so open to interpretation that they can mean anything?

This sounds more like making up the rules as we go, not that the religious would have ever done that to religion throughout history....
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Old 10-25-2009, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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So on one end of the scale we have a voluntary vow of near homelessness, and on the other we have millions of dollars and the most lavish of earthly delights. If the bible can be interpreted so widely that either of these two can be possible, why even have rules to adhere to? How can there be any consistency in the application of the bible?

So by this standard, can we interpret anything that's in the bible? Eventually there has to be a point where there is some solid ground, if not rules are useless. We can't say that speed limit 35 might not really mean that we are supposed to go 35 mph. Why should we be able to do this with the bible's rules? Moreover, how and (especially) why should we all be expected to adhere to the standards of Christians when these standards are so open to interpretation that they can mean anything?

This sounds more like making up the rules as we go, not that the religious would have ever done that to religion throughout history....
So, uh... Do you think a preacher should have a million-dollar salary?
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Old 10-25-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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So, uh... Do you think a preacher should have a million-dollar salary?
If your society tolerates and approves million dollar salaries for anybody in the private sector, do you think preachers are a part of an exempt group, and who else is in that group?

If several churches are all trying to recruit a very good preacher and trying to outbid each other on him, why do you think there should be a salary cap, and how do you arrive at a dollar amount for that cap?
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Old 10-25-2009, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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If your society tolerates and approves million dollar salaries for anybody in the private sector, do you think preachers are a part of an exempt group, and who else is in that group?

If several churches are all trying to recruit a very good preacher and trying to outbid each other on him, why do you think there should be a salary cap, and how do you arrive at a dollar amount for that cap?
Why are you asking me? I've already made my position clear on the issue.
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