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Old 06-02-2009, 09:38 PM
 
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Unions have demanded higher wages and benefits than most companies would pay without some form of unified demand from their workforce. The union worker spends those wages and therefore shores up the economy in ways that low payed workers can never contribute.

As far as achieving a balance, I would guess that the adversarial model will be around for awhile and the bickering over who's getting a leg up in negotiations will be hotly contested by those who see the ideal business/labor situation as one in which the worker is subjugated to the corporate interest.

Whenever there is a news story on labor strife, it seems to be a call to arms for those who see the worker as a high paid slouch mooching off of the downtrodden company. In the case of GM for example, we know that the union worker does not design the car, we also know the union worker has no input in the way in which those cars are built or marketed. GM is and was an arogant company that tried to sell the American public on the notion of style over substance, when that didn't work they resorted to a call to patriotism and brand loyalty.

Personally I don't see the worker as the problem in our society today in terms of competitive productivity, in fact most of the data shows America to be very competitive in most markets where we still try to compete. We can't go up against the foreign companies that pay very little in the way of wages and bennies. Trying to compete in an unfair labor situation is never going to be seen as a do-able thing for us, we want a lifestyle that reflects the fact of our advancement as a nation.

The ideal situation will never be attainable, I'd bet that those foreigners who have been showing up on or shores and our southern borders could enlighten us as to the situation wherein the government and the boss run everything, driving out the best of their workforce to the US job market.

We have the recent news of the GM workforce being offered a trade off of their negotiated benefits in exchange for damn near worthless stock, forget ERISA, the fiduciary bent of all retirement plans is for the administrators to invest the plans collective wealth into a mix of stock for the safety of those covered in that plan, so, even with a union, the worker is never fully protected, oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the banks that GM owed money to, will get that retirement medical money, straight up.
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