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Old 06-02-2009, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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it is an attitude towards getting problems as in roads and such solved.
how's is that a lib or con. idea?

I have a neighbor who is left of left but somehow we get along great b/c when it comes to local politics it's about things that aren't political like stop signs and potholes. I am very involved in my "hood" I take great pride in my rental property...I mean I'm a renter and I treat it like it was my own house.

My lefty neighbor is a big gun right advocate but he is like a major socialist not my words his. I respect him b/c he is very polite and respectful of others views however he is my only liberal friend that is respectful when it come to politics.

I really don't care what my neighbor believes in, that's his life and as long as he picks up after himself and is a good person who cares.
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Old 06-02-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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I prefer a mix of people, but I have no problem with people looking for conservative areas, liberal areas, "diverse areas" or anything else.

(whatever these terms mean. I mean, honestly, people use "liberal/conservative"around here like there's a set definition of what one should think. What about a pro-choice conservative? What about a pro-death penalty liberal? What about a social liberal and fiscal conservative?Most people do not fall into the 100% liberal or 100% conservative category. Thankfully, most people--at least I hope--consider each issue on its own merit)
Wise words. I've been troubled lately by both the liberal and conservative camps to the point I'd like to place a ban on both words. Conservatives and liberals used to get along just fine, but anymore it seems it can't be done. Liberals hate conservatives and conservatives hate liberals. Maybe it's because it's not socially acceptable to hate others because of race or religion, so we hate them for their political preferences.

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Diversity as far as race, culture, lifestyle, etc goes. Not politics. That's just asking for conflict in my opinion.

You probably don't realize it, but you're only one of the small number of conservatives who value diversity. The majority of conservatives are opposed to diversity and multi-culturalism. They have a narrow-minded view of what "American" is (meaning they reject the term melting pot when it's convenient). They also feel that every group of people should follow their "morals" (ie. no to homosexuality, sex before marriage, etc.). Favoring diversity, multi-culturalism, and alternative lifestyles is considered a liberal position. So basically, the people in support of those things are usually liberals.

P.S. By "they", I mean the majority of conservatives. Not all of them.
You're wrong, you know. It's only the majority of FAR RIGHT conservatives you're describing. I'm a moderate conservative in one of the most conservative counties in Wyoming. (A whopping 18% supported Obama in the general election... and I have no idea where they're hiding. )

But seriously, the large majority of conservatives I know do NOT share the narrow-minded views you write of -- not by a long shot. Most want to live their lives as they see fit and let others live their lives however they like. We are generally fiscally conservatives but don't care who's doing who, whether they're married or not, what, if any, church they attend, nor what color skin they happen to have. As a whole, we're rather proud to call our town a melting pot. And I've seen just the opposite in "liberal" areas.

One of my closest friends here over the past decade or two is a staunch Democrat, was a state representative and county Democratic leader, yet many of his political viewpoints are more conservative than my own.

Why oh why can't we just all get along?
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Old 06-02-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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But seriously, the large majority of conservatives I know do NOT share the narrow-minded views you write of -
I agree, every one of my conservative friends are the exact same way, fiscally conservative not necessarily social conservative. Conservatives get such a bad rep and my proof of this is when any of my left leaning friends meets me or my friends they all same the same thing...I can't believe your a conservative your not bad at all.
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Old 06-02-2009, 07:45 PM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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Why are liberals so concerned with living around their own kind? I have noticed probably 300 threads that read "Looking for Nice Liberal Area".
I think its because of two things:

1. Most areas that are considered "liberal" tend to have the highest property values, lowest crime, best schools and a variety of social/cultural venues that tend to attract the most educated and forward thinking individuals. Primarily university educated professionals who may be more of the artistic type. I am a right leading conservative (married to a liberal) and I much prefer to live in areas deemed primarily "liberal" by most peoples viewpoints as they seem to be better places to raise children and to make friends.

2. I also think that when people say they want "liberal" areas is because they want to be around a diverse group of people some who may be from all parts of the world and share their world culture and experiences. Many of the people who seek "liberal" areas are not concerned with belonging to a certain church which many conservative areas seem to thrive on. A friend was looking to buy a home in Texas and the first thing her realtor asked her was "What church do you plan on attending because I know a good baptist church that I can recommend". Kinda turned her off because she is Persian/Jewish and thought it weird that someone would just make an assumption on someone's personal religious views. Some also believe that "conservative" areas tend to be less accepting of other cultures, less accepting of other races, less accepting of many things.

I applaud you OP for your thinking in that saying that people should be open to living around many different types of people. Me being conservative and living in basically "Hollywood" where most of my friends are quite uber liberal has really opened my eyes to new ways of viewing the world and those in it. Hope others can be so lucky.
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Old 06-02-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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I agree, every one of my conservative friends are the exact same way, fiscally conservative not necessarily social conservative. Conservatives get such a bad rep and my proof of this is when any of my left leaning friends meets me or my friends they all same the same thing...I can't believe your a conservative your not bad at all.
My little brother, who tried for so many years to be just like me, couldn't believe I was going to vote for McCain in the general election. He gave me this incredulous look and asked me if I really thought Palin could make a good president. His wife just stared in disbelief awaiting my answer, like she'd always thought I was an intelligent person up until that moment. (My answer was no, I didn't think she was ready to be the president, but I felt the same way about Obama.)
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:00 PM
 
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I agree, every one of my conservative friends are the exact same way, fiscally conservative not necessarily social conservative. Conservatives get such a bad rep and my proof of this is when any of my left leaning friends meets me or my friends they all same the same thing...I can't believe your a conservative your not bad at all.
Yes but herein might lie the problems of labels! I am a fiscal conservative, socially liberal yet I consider myself a "liberal." I don't like being lumped in with Sarah Palin types or the religious right. So while you're describing "conservatives" as fiscal conservative, social liberal, others are describing the exact same beliefs as "liberals".

I think we need a new category for social liberal/fiscal conservatives!! We might find many of us are on the same page more than we think.
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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Some also believe that "conservative" areas tend to be less accepting of other cultures, less accepting of other races, less accepting of many things.
I can't stand this stereo type!!! from what I have noticed all my conservative friends are way more friendly and accepting to others than my liberal friends by far. Why would conservatives be less accepting when the bible preaches accept everyone and forgiveness and love each other like you would love yourself? Maybe conservatives up north are more accepting than conservatives down south. I don't even know what classifies as the bible belt?
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:04 PM
 
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how's is that a lib or con. idea?

I have a neighbor who is left of left but somehow we get along great b/c when it comes to local politics it's about things that aren't political like stop signs and potholes. I am very involved in my "hood" I take great pride in my rental property...I mean I'm a renter and I treat it like it was my own house.

My lefty neighbor is a big gun right advocate but he is like a major socialist not my words his. I respect him b/c he is very polite and respectful of others views however he is my only liberal friend that is respectful when it come to politics.

I really don't care what my neighbor believes in, that's his life and as long as he picks up after himself and is a good person who cares.

i think we have a misunderstanding. I am talking about the way the problems are handled or mostly ignored. Where I live, there is a push and pull between conservatives. There are just not to many "liberals" in this area. There are those who want no change at all, fix the well, fix the flood area that shuts down the street for a couple of areas, etc. and so on and those who firmly believe that this town will boom but want to do the least that they can do. Including, not fix the well, fix the flood area etc. and so on.

Further, I happen to live across a highway and am included in this town but we cannot have our roads snow plowed. No, no we do not go across. Nor, will they allow someone to hire out of pocket to clear for us. No, no can't do it.

The amount of racism in this area is well known and lawd help ya if your gay. So, I'm thinking, I'd rather live in an area where I can associate with whom I want and have to not deal with the politics. This isn't just a pot hole and stop sign thing. This place was a tourist town from 1920-1950.

I have neighbors that are ok. Extremely religious.
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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I think we need a new category for social liberal/fiscal conservatives!! We might find many of us are on the same page more than we think
isn't this the Regan democrat or the old blue collar democrat? or how about the term "normal people"

I believe in the bible and I don't like a lot of socially liberal causes ie: "gay marriage" but who cares it's not my life to run. If someone wants to be gay let em. welfare and AA I disagree with all of them but who cares it's just my opinion. I'm not going to try to convince the world of what I think, I'm not going to take off of work for a cause so I can protest and I'm not a bible thumper either. People need to stop getting all upset b/c someone has a different opinion. I have liberal friends that won't talk to me b/c they found out I was a big conservative aka little gov'ment type. They called me idioit to my face and then told me I am ruining this country. Chill out and smoke some of that pot you wanna leaglize.

Point: Why can't people on the opposite end of the spectrum still be friends?
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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The amount of racism in this area is well known and lawd help ya if your gay. So, I'm thinking, I'd rather live in an area where I can associate with whom I want and have to not deal with the politics. This isn't just a pot hole and stop sign thing. This place was a tourist town from 1920-1950.
I dont think you need a liberal area be feel better you just need any new area, I think conservatives are nicer in the "nicer ol midwest" so maybe that's why I have a hard time believing all the things said about evil republicans.

yeah I think I did misnderstand you, nonetheless we got it now.
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