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Old 08-30-2009, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Toward European-style socialism. Even Lou Dobbs on CNN stated that one of their audience polls, the majority of viewers thought the US was headed in that direction...
CNN audience polls are even less scientific than the consensus of comments on this board.
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Old 08-30-2009, 09:39 PM
 
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I thnik like so many times in teh past this recession will change the economy alot.Many job types will never be in the nubers they once were but these same jobs were going souht anyway ;it just hapopened faster. We are a recative society noit a proactive one. When we react we usually go over board causing more problems.I thnik the issue that is going to be next is the high deficit and what effects it has on the future in the next ten years.At the same time we will see inflation and then the fed rasing interest rates to fight it. That will mean cuts in federal spending just as we saw after the 70's recession.Since we have never seen this kind of deficit numbers its likely to be deep cuts . Kind of a national problem that cailfornia is going thru now.Hopefully we can get back like we did under reagan with 7 years of average 7% growth and a savings rate of 10%.We also saw many people tehn change their lifes and that was when people started alot of teh small businesses that are so much of our economy now.There is never any going back to the way it was is what people found that became successful then.Some sit still and hope for the old days and others will move forward.
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Old 09-02-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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The way we are headed with massive deficits and production leaving the US, we are headed for third world status, that nice life style we are used to, well kiss it good buy as we financially are completely screwed, we owe more money than we can ever hope to pay back, oh and wait till the massive inflation hits. I hate to say it but out government is running this country right into the ground trying to implement socialism as they are power hungry.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Tampa
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Why is it people are always slamming socialism, which this country will never be, when we see what capitalism has done to us

Enron
Energy Corruption
Bank Greed
Health Insurance out of control
Massive layoffs (nearly 7 million so far)



Dont be fooled into thinking capitalism is the best. in a 100% capitalist world, you would be bought and sold for spare parts...
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Old 09-02-2009, 03:30 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Why is it people are always slamming socialism, which this country will never be, when we see what capitalism has done to us

Enron
Energy Corruption
Bank Greed
Health Insurance out of control
Massive layoffs (nearly 7 million so far)



Dont be fooled into thinking capitalism is the best. in a 100% capitalist world, you would be bought and sold for spare parts...
Mainly because everyone is convinced that there are only two flavors of ice cream. It has never occurred to them that there may indeed be other flavors.
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Old 09-02-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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Over the next 5 years?

10?

20?


Think things are getting better or worse?

Will be be a nation flourishing with high paying green jobs, or will we all be working for McDonalds and Wal-Mart?
With our National Debt, we have fallen deep into a Pit with slick walls and no ladder. America is a country where its greed, hedonism, and moral corruption IS causing it to collapse ... and it doesnt look good for your Grandkids im afraid.
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Old 09-02-2009, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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I remember very well some of these same discussions about 2 years ago. Many were saying we hit bottom, it cant get any worse, just another cycle and all kinds of hogwash like that. Here it is 2 years later and it got worse and worse and worse with no good news in sight.

If you belive your govt then things appear rosy. Your govt lies. They lie about unemployment, they lie about economic figures, they lie about everything.

The truth is this govt has only just admitted we were in a recession just last December when in fact the recession was already 2 years old. We right now are in a depression but they will never ever say that dirty filthy curse word: DEPRESSION. We are there, like it or not....admit it or not.

Some one said to me: In the Great Depression there were well dressed and well educated people selling apples on the corner to make a few coins to feed their family. My answer to that is today we have well educated and well dressed people standing on the corner swinging pizza signs for $50 a day. What's the difference?

We will fall much more before things get any better. Go ahead and say no. 2 years ago some of you argued it could never get any worse. Look what happened. Dont say it cant get any worse. It can and it will. Only the strong will survive. And the strong is shrinking too.
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Old 09-02-2009, 09:03 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I feel like the current "recovery" will be short lived. I think we are headed for another nasty fall in the next couple of years (months?). The current slight upswing is just a bounce.... I think there is a lot more pain before things will get better. And "better" will be better than the worst... not better than things are now.

Long term? I just cannot foresee greener pastures ahead (for the USA at least). This country no longer MAKES anything. Where will we achieve growth? Some say technology, but each new technology seems to have a shorter growth. The speed of each cycle seems to be exponential. It becomes obsolete, gets outsources, etc. Further, I am not sure the US can lead in technology anymore as our education system has been lagging! Americans are no longer learning Science and Math.

And the DEBT!! It is mind blowing how in debt our Federal Govt has become.

In my opinion, I think economies need to be localized. (Not Protectionism!). I think we need to get away from Economies of Scale and the squeeze of large corporations. We have seen some of this with the Green movement. Buying produce from local, organic sources. I think this same concept can be applied to Industry and Commerce as well.
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Old 09-02-2009, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Tampa
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Without pointing fingers at any one person, I would like to point out that the US is still the worlds largest manufacturer.

http://investing.curiouscatblog.net/...tries-in-2007/

data from 2007.

while our overall share of the manufacturing is down, that was inevitable.

The only thing that might take us back to our glory days would be more automation, but i dont see how that would help US workers much...
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Old 09-02-2009, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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It will get worse. I want to have a big binge in Las Vegas with my friends, and enemies. One final toot ! Spinning totally out of control. Being waited on by funny gay waiters with Nigel Kennedy hairstyles. Shooting dice at 4am in the morning while 3 piece suits eye me suspiciously. I want my pink wig on with a pair of wax lips, and a rubber chicken purse ! Now, that's what I call a big send off ! The American Empire is sinking. Melting. Want proof ? Look at that hideous city center they are building on the Vegas strip. What were they thinking ? Were they on dope ? Ok. My rant is over.
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