What Do You see When You Look At A Hispanic Family? (lawyer, school)

[simpleharmonicmotion]

As a Hispanic person, let me tell you...it is very in vogue right now in many places to discriminate against anyone who looks even somewhat Hispanic....even if they speak fluent English and look clearly culturally American

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by Steve Bagu

Jyur88; Feel sure you live in a house or an apt.

Question I have is..."is your front or back door have a lock on it...do you keep it unlocked 24/7 because you trust everyone...or do you lock it at night"? Bet you lock it at night to keep out intruders.

You've lost the bet, I'll take vanilla. It's an apartment. My door never gets locked when I am inside. It ordinarily does not get locked when I go out, although if I plan to be out most of the day, I usually lock it.

[jtur88]

I have known some illegal aliens. Here is what I see when I look at them.

They are the most law-abiding people in the USA. They are the most careful drivers, because they cannot afford to be stopped for even a tail light out. The consequences are too severe---they will be deported. They stay at home, except to go out to work.

The Justice Department says 270,000 illegal aliens served jail time in the USA in 2003. We are told that there are 12-million illegal aliens in the USA. Two percent of them were in jail. There are 100-million adult males in the USA and 2-million of them are in jail. Guess what---that's 2%.

Most of the criminally-minded Mexicans who slip into the US would probably get in anyway, no matter how strictly we controlled the border. Of the other 98%, they are honest, quiet, law-abiding people who don't want to attract attention.

I know a family in Puerto Vallarta---here is their story. A man and a women with two kids, living in a remote village in Guerrero, where mom washed the family laundry on rocks in the cold river. Dad slipped into the US illegally, and worked as much and as hard as he could, and learned skills and trades.. He stayed for three years, and saved all he made. Then he went back to Mexico, got a good job in Puerto Vallarta, made a down payment on a simple little house with a washing machine in a clean, safe neighborhood, brought his family from Guerrero, and enrolled his kids in a public school---something they had never seen before.

As far as I'm concerned, he and his family are welcome to come and live in my neighborhood any time they want. But he cannot because he is a "criminal".

[Nevar242]

With respect. some very good comments here. But I ask you What do you see when you see a "White" family

Originally Posted by cooscoosmama

After watching several news-shows, I have been disturbed by what these news shows' guests have been saying. They call "illegals" rapists, child molesters, theives, gang members, murders... the list goes on. Obviously, yes, there is going to be some illegal immigrants who ARE bad people. But we shouldnt label them ALL this way. There are much more Americans Citizens doing these same things, and worse, who are never caught. There are some good, law-abiding illegal immigrants who have just come here for the good ole' American Dream, the illegal way. Processing dates are slow, taking a decade or more in some cases. Though, the growing population has become a serious problem. Another point I make, is that many legal, non-english speaking, and english speaking hispanic immigrants are being discriminated against every day for who they are, an hispanic. They are tired of being considered a lower class because of the bad reputation of illegal hispanics. Many feel American Citizens, cacausians specifcally, look down at them and see them as criminals, when they are not. So, I ask, what do you see when you look at a hispanic/spanish-speaking family grocery-shopping, or at a resturant, enjoying dinner?
Do you discriminate against them too, making asumptions without personally knowing them? Or do you see them fairly, as every American should ?

[Steve Bagu]

Nice little story of the man helping his family by working Illegally in the US.

Answer this. Why do the people in Mexico have security bars around the windows?
Why is it necessary to lock the outside gate with a key and chain/padlock when you already have two dogs in the yard for security?
Why is it necessary to lock your car no matter where you park in Mexico no matter if only for 5 mins?.
Why is it necessary to lock up any tools and the like and not leave them out in your front yard etc?.
Why is it necessary for a store to have so many security men (in uniform/no guns) in the pkg lot or at the store entrance?
Why is it necessary for a store that only sells childrens toy to have a security guard at the door?
Why is it necessary for a bank to have security guards around the outside and on the roof of a a bldg across the street when they do not have any bullets for the rifles?
Why is it necessary for a store that sells flashlight batteries to have them locked up behind the counter when in the US they are sold out in the open?

Ok I have said enough already.

The answer to all of the above is " THEY STEAL STEAL STEAL "

People in Mexico who steal on a level of petty theft etc (US definition) are never prosecuted or put in jail consequently these same people that cross into the US Illegally have the same mentality. If it is left out in the open it's fair game and theirs to take and keep.

I saw all of the above in Mexico City in the three yrs I lived there.

If everyone was put into jail for stealing then over half of the country would be behind bars. I have said that many times and will continue to say the same thing in the future.

I'm not prejudiced against Mexico as I've lived here in Baja 13 yrs and love the country. The problem is with some of the people and their thinking process. They have NO problem with bending or breaking a law if it suits their needs.

Bound to get some flak...if the truth hurts...so be it...if the shoe fits some then let them wear it.

I am not going to sugar coat Mexico or the US for that matter. Both countries have their faults...good and bad.

From what I've read here many are making everything about the Hispanics as being Rosey in the descriptions...sure there are many real nice ones ...I'm referring to all those that break our US laws in their ventures to support the family back home.

Breaking a Law should not be condoned in their own country or in the US.

So...by your own admission...you lock your door when leaving your apt for a time period. Guess you don't trust your neighbors or others for that matter.

Steve

[jtur88]

Because petty crime is always higher in countries where there are more poorer people.

In Mexico, there are militaristic revolutionary movements in some areas, and they finance themselves with robberies, so it is prudent to use security guards in likely targets. Again, there are always such populist movements in poorer counries.

Many stores in Mexico are not self service, owing largely to the effort to create as many jobs as possible for shopkeepers. And batteries come in small containers that are easy to shoplift.

Mexico City? If the whole USA was like New York City, I wouldn't live here either.

In Nayarit, I saw nothing of what you described. I locked my door because Gringos are seen by the few ladrones as being easy targets who have lots of fencible stuff. People lock their doors when they go out, but they don't even close them when they are inside.

[glass_of_merlot]

Originally Posted by Nevar242

With respect. some very good comments here. But I ask you What do you see when you see a "White" family

The same as I see when I see a black family, or an Asian family or a middle eastern family. They are Americans or "new Americans" or tourists.

[miu]

I know many types of Hispanics. I judge them only by the way they act, speak and dress. I don't automatically assume they are here illegally. However, I avoid the ones that seem to come across as trashy people. I just don't have time to deal with people (of any race or culture) that act and behave poorly.

[nightbird47]

Sadly, I see a *hispanic* family, not just a family. I don't see black or asian or white families, but I do see hispanic ones. Where I lived for quite a while the white families who already lived there were the enemy, and eventually run out of the neighborhood by those who did not want anyone but themselves there, and were particularly ready to shut out the black families who left first. They left first. The asian and white families next and the hispanic families who had lived there before, did not trash the street, spoke English, and didn't climb the fence over the railroad track and to the store with the baby in arms.... Last time I was there the street looked like a real dump, with multiple cars and junk. The roving jr. gang that liked to stop my car when I came home and threw rocks at my sons friend who is white had grown up more and were lounging. I'm sure as before most of the new people spoke no English at all and pretended you were invisible if you weren't them.

So that is where I come from. I know hispanics who are perfectly normal people, but it took a few to see it.

When I see a hispanic family of multiple porportions I think of a house with way too many people, and way too many cars and only a few English speakers. If they are speaking English, then I don't dislike them, or they are paying attention to their kids behavior, but the ones that let their kids run wild in Walmart and simply don't care, or are seen jwalking on busy streets with the baby in the stroller (saw this MANY times on a very busy street when the corner was a few feet away) I think of the old neighborhood and dislike them intensely.

The difference between other cultures who came is they assimilated. They became a part of OUR culture, which is something you need to do if you come to a place. The hispanic community seems to have decided they will not assimilate and move past where they came from, and this how we have the "us" and "them" when a culture who came here demands to be accomidated instead of accomidate the culture they found.

[LauraC]

As an unmarried adult, the only time I ever see "a family" (meaning two adults and their kids) of any kind is at a public event like a parade or maybe, fireworks. People, of all ages, are so busy doing their own thing that what jumps out at you is not ethnicity but that there is a family together in one place. Even on vacations or at something like a carnival or festival, everybody in the family that may have arrived together, goes off individually and does what they want to do. So, I guess when I see a hispanic family, I'd just think, "Hey, there's a family" not "Hey, there's a hispanic family." You know, the oddness would be "family together."