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Old 06-04-2009, 10:41 PM
 
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It is in my opinion that this country is focused on the wrong things...the following is a list on what we as people need to do:

Stop worrying what others are doing, we are so focused on what other groups are doing with their lives and we try to get them to do as we do. We need to realize that this will never happen. Let people be...

Stop bailing out companies and people who make mistakes...let them work it out. It is their fault one way or another that they are in this mess. How is anyone to grow when we give them the easy way out.

Religions need to stick to themselves...you have no right to feed us your ways. We all have our own beliefs and your constant battle to convert everyone to your ways is lost. You may have a great message to spread, but it is up to us to decide weather or not we want to hear it. This actually goes to all groups who have agendas on converting the masses...

The government needs to stay out of things they have no right to be in...for example...the government needs to stay out of the business sector. We have allowed the government too much power, they are allowed to choose what business's stay and which ones go...they also have the decision on who is allowed to live the life they want and who is not.

We need to stop this constant babble about how one group is wrong and we are right crap....each party is entitled to their own opinion...however, one party should not decide the fate of the other...for example...Gay marriage...Religion does not hold ownership of this...neither does anyone who is not gay...it is the right of all free people of the world. Whether it is in a church or a court room it is still a marriage and deserves the same rights as any...

the responsability of americans has dissolved into a joke...we want all the fun of our actions but none of the consequences...Seriously...if you are lazy at work...you should be fired...If you quit your job...you should not get unemployment or welfare...welfare should be allowed for a certain amount of time and the persons it is benefiting should have to show penny for penny what the money is going towards... You should not be allowed to by tabacco or beer with it...Abortion, are you kidding me...if you choose to have sex, protected or unprotected, you run the risk of getting pregnant and upon becoming so, you need to accept the responsabilities for your actions and carry the child to birth, then if you choose to give it up...do so to the proper place.

People seriously this country has become a place of freeloaders who want every pleasure and no pain...Every action has a reaction...we are taught that in school very early on and maybe it should be taught throughout our education...

this country has become so wrapped up in its religion, money, and whos right and whos wrong we do not see the floor crumbling beneath us...

Obama is right we do need change...change of the individual...we all need to stop looking at others and what they are doing and start looking at what we are doing individually...

I have always wondered what everyones opinion of the country was...I dont want to know the status of the economy, or the political parties...I want to know...How are the children?

How are the Children? children-every living person of all ages, sex and race. How are they. What is the state of our people?

Can you answer that question without hesitation? Do you even think that what you are doing might be hurting someone elses way of life?

I am ashamed that we live in a country that used to come together to fight for its own servival had become one of many civil wars...fi you do not think that a civil war is here...think again..not all wars are done on a battlefield and include guns...
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Old 06-05-2009, 02:20 PM
 
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In keeping with the spirit of “great debates”, I’ll have a little fun and offer a response…

Point 1- Although this just seems to be pet peeve of yours, I’d like to see apply to our national foreign policy. We have this habit of sticking in our noses where it doesn’t belong, and I’d like to stop it. Foreign assistance is fine, but being a meddler is not.

Point 2- For the most part I agree. However, there are times when it serves the national interest to do so. The feds could not allow the US (and possibly the world) banking system to fully collapse. With respect to companies, I’m not opposed to some loans, but these bailouts were idiotic. Obama has no regard to help automakers and it was for the union as a political payback. It was transparent and shameful. Hundreds of billions of dollars wasted.

Point 3- I disagree. We have freedom of religion as well as separation of church & state- and I believe in both. People have every “right” to promote their faith so long as it conforms to the laws pertaining to it.

Point 4- We already covered this for the most part, but let me add in agreement that nationalized industry has pretty much failed everywhere it’s been tried.

Point 5- There are two points here you seem to be making. The first has to do with civics. I agree that people are clearly more “I must win and you must lose” as we no longer seek to consider the other’s point of view. I call those people sheep and political parties seem to be full of them. Your second point is factually and morally wrong. Cities, counties, states and the country is made up of individuals. As such, we have the right to vote, lobby, petition, make our views know. Your suggestion that certain groups don’t is pure communism. If a region (be it a city, county, state or the whole country) opt to vote a certain way (for example, to not allow gay marriages, or to allow them), then the people (the ones who are supposed to have the power via voting) have spoken. If your side lost, tough beans. I like the opportunity to vote on such issues and whether it be religion, or unions, or otherwise that persuades me to vote as I do, then so be it.

Part 6- In general, I agree. I think the government has a duty to assist it’s citizens, but not to coddle them.

Part 7- Agree 100%. It starts at home and then at school. We all feel so entitled.

Part 8- Already covered this.

Part 9- Good point. It always starts with “us” as individuals first.

Part 10- Well, I’m all for wondering how the kiddies are, but I also wonder what kind of a mess we’re leaving them.

Part 11- The state of our people is that we’re over taxed and have a bankrupt country.

Part 12- Usually not. But we’ve always done so.

Part 13- We do seem to be a deeply divided country. It’s called selfishness.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:05 PM
 
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in keeping with the great debate spirit I shall add my guy is on it
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:01 PM
 
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Hmm....
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:16 PM
 
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in keeping with the great debate spirit I shall add my guy is on it

Who is that masked socialist?
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:19 PM
 
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Who is that masked socialist?
why it is the great obamaman minus the mask of course
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Old 06-05-2009, 11:49 PM
 
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It is in my opinion that this country is focused on the wrong things...the following is a list on what we as people need to do:

Stop worrying what others are doing, we are so focused on what other groups are doing with their lives and we try to get them to do as we do. We need to realize that this will never happen. Let people be...

Yes, but Americans are divided on what they want from their government and their country; based on that alone, I can't see much change here.

Stop bailing out companies and people who make mistakes...let them work it out. It is their fault one way or another that they are in this mess. How is anyone to grow when we give them the easy way out.

Religions need to stick to themselves...you have no right to feed us your ways. We all have our own beliefs and your constant battle to convert everyone to your ways is lost. You may have a great message to spread, but it is up to us to decide weather or not we want to hear it. This actually goes to all groups who have agendas on converting the masses... Other than the few religions who knock on our doors, I don't see where there's a problem here. I never feel like I'm getting indoctrinated by anybody, unless I have some over-zealous loon that feels the need to preach. And, gratefully, that has been rare. Where 'issues' go, "they" have as much right to their stances as everyone else. I think people in general just DON'T WANT them to have the same rights to voice themselves (and vice-versa).

The government needs to stay out of things they have no right to be in...for example...the government needs to stay out of the business sector. We have allowed the government too much power, they are allowed to choose what business's stay and which ones go...they also have the decision on who is allowed to live the life they want and who is not. I agree, although there are some institutions that I WISH were under government control.

We need to stop this constant babble about how one group is wrong and we are right crap....each party is entitled to their own opinion...however, one party should not decide the fate of the other...for example...Gay marriage...Religion does not hold ownership of this...neither does anyone who is not gay...it is the right of all free people of the world. Whether it is in a church or a court room it is still a marriage and deserves the same rights as any... Okay, but I hope you're willing to go with the next step: legalize polygamy. After that, marry a pet. It's all coming. And, quite honestly, I don't have much problem with any of it.

the responsability of americans has dissolved into a joke...we want all the fun of our actions but none of the consequences...Seriously...if you are lazy at work...you should be fired...If you quit your job...you should not get unemployment or welfare...welfare should be allowed for a certain amount of time and the persons it is benefiting should have to show penny for penny what the money is going towards... You should not be allowed to by tabacco or beer with it...Abortion, are you kidding me...if you choose to have sex, protected or unprotected, you run the risk of getting pregnant and upon becoming so, you need to accept the responsabilities for your actions and carry the child to birth, then if you choose to give it up...do so to the proper place. I agree 110% here.

People seriously this country has become a place of freeloaders who want every pleasure and no pain...Every action has a reaction...we are taught that in school very early on and maybe it should be taught throughout our education... As far as I'm concerned schools take a big chunk of the blame for parents losing authority over their own children. Consequences don't mean diddly-squat anymore.

this country has become so wrapped up in its religion, money, and whos right and whos wrong we do not see the floor crumbling beneath us...

You think this pertains only to the religious sect?????

Obama is right we do need change...change of the individual...we all need to stop looking at others and what they are doing and start looking at what we are doing individually... He's got a looooooong way to prove himself to me. He didn't represent anything I wanted. And, no, I don't expect much change. But I would love him to prove me wrong, because this is not a time to WISH a leader to fail.

I have always wondered what everyones opinion of the country was...I dont want to know the status of the economy, or the political parties...I want to know...How are the children?

How are the Children? children-every living person of all ages, sex and race. How are they. What is the state of our people?

Can you answer that question without hesitation? Do you even think that what you are doing might be hurting someone elses way of life? Huh?

I am ashamed that we live in a country that used to come together to fight for its own servival had become one of many civil wars...fi you do not think that a civil war is here...think again..not all wars are done on a battlefield and include guns...
You have just voiced the reasons why America is not a TRUE democracy. People, individuals and "sects" (religious and non-religious, conservative and liberals) have different wants and needs. I'm sure that a lot of my most important concerns differ from yours. For at least 25 years now I have been bellowing about the need for border control, and even today a lot of people don't share that concern. Illegal immigration is one of my most ferocious issues. Is it yours? Over-population is another hot issue with me. Is it yours?
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:49 AM
 
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You have just voiced the reasons why America is not a TRUE democracy. People, individuals and "sects" (religious and non-religious, conservative and liberals) have different wants and needs. I'm sure that a lot of my most important concerns differ from yours. For at least 25 years now I have been bellowing about the need for border control, and even today a lot of people don't share that concern. Illegal immigration is one of my most ferocious issues. Is it yours? Over-population is another hot issue with me. Is it yours?
I see your point in many cases however...

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Other than the few religions who knock on our doors, I don't see where there's a problem here. I never feel like I'm getting indoctrinated by anybody, unless I have some over-zealous loon that feels the need to preach. And, gratefully, that has been rare. Where 'issues' go, "they" have as much right to their stances as everyone else. I think people in general just DON'T WANT them to have the same rights to voice themselves (and vice-versa).
No group religious or not should not be allowed to stop another groups way of life...especially if it isnt hurting anyone in any shape or form.

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Okay, but I hope you're willing to go with the next step: legalize polygamy. After that, marry a pet. It's all coming. And, quite honestly, I don't have much problem with any of it.
Allowing gay marriage will not start this...and if somehow it does...it will not be a massive movement like the gay community. Polygamy is Illegal...homosexuality is not...you are talking apples and oranges here...

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You think this pertains only to the religious sect?????
Nope, but they are a huge part, but that is why I said money and people who are wrapped up with who is right and who is wrong. We need to work together for the common good not...what is right for one group and not for another...
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