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Old 08-05-2009, 03:34 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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How about shock and awe, our usual way of fighting things.
That's coming, if Obama gets his way.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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In addition to my last post, I am talking this over with a friend of mine. I am wondering if he wants to get in on it. After seeing the economic meltdown, seeing other people unemployed makes me want to help other people.
You are never unemployed if you are in business for yourself. Even if you freelance solo. There is lots of business setup help you can get for free. Don't pay for any more classes after you graduate, unless they're brushup skills courses or business courses. There's a retired bunch of business experts in an organization called SCORE that will counsel you on the business end. Google it. At your age, try not to be dependent on jobs unless it's PT work to pay the bills while you get your business going. This is the wave of the future. You will never have to worry about a layoff. Be careful about who(m) you go into business with. Be savvy and get business arrangements in writing, always. Get the advice from groups like SCORE.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Does it have to be a zero sum game where another nation's standard of living increases while ours decreases?
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:50 PM
 
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Does it have to be a zero sum game where another nation's standard of living increases while ours decreases?
Yes, the way it's being done does mean that. We send jobs to Mexico, China, India and everywhere else that has a third world living standard, the American consumers keep it all propped up. It's all only about the cheapest possible labor, not about improving living standards or cultures.

A far better way would be to change cultures and governments so that other countries could advance. The jobless American consumer can't keep the whole thing propped up much longer.
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:13 AM
 
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Yes, the way it's being done does mean that. We send jobs to Mexico, China, India and everywhere else that has a third world living standard, the American consumers keep it all propped up. It's all only about the cheapest possible labor, not about improving living standards or cultures.

A far better way would be to change cultures and governments so that other countries could advance. The jobless American consumer can't keep the whole thing propped up much longer.
That is part of why things are getting bad. A society cannot survive on consumerism alone. Looking for a quick buck is only short term.A society that does more buying and less producing will have a big problem.
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:24 AM
 
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You are never unemployed if you are in business for yourself. Even if you freelance solo.
That's not a viable option for people who need affordable health coverage and have a pre-existing condition, for example.
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Cold Frozen North
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That is part of why things are getting bad. A society cannot survive on consumerism alone. Looking for a quick buck is only short term.A society that does more buying and less producing will have a big problem.
Agreed. And we are already seeing the results of excessive buying and producing less and less of real value. I just don't see our unemployment rate ever returning to a reasonable number unless manufacturing jobs are brought back. Just think how much tax money the federal government is losing with all the factories that have gone to third world countries. We have the best politicians money can buy.
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Old 08-07-2009, 10:19 AM
 
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Agreed. And we are already seeing the results of excessive buying and producing less and less of real value.
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I just don't see our unemployment rate ever returning to a reasonable number unless manufacturing jobs are brought back.
Just think how much tax money the federal government is losing with all the factories that have gone to third world countries. We have the best politicians money can buy.
And I believe that new manufacturing jobs can be created. It is going to take people who aren't myopic in their endeavour for money. It is going to take long term planning and investing, not the short term. It is going to take a shift of thought, a shift in the way things are done.
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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That's not a viable option for people who need affordable health coverage and have a pre-existing condition, for example.
But it may be better than being unemployed completely.
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Old 08-10-2009, 08:08 AM
 
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But it may be better than being unemployed completely.
Not really... Not unless you want to hand over all your hard earned money to pay your medical bills and get indebted for the rest of your life as uninsured patient (which is a high possibility given that you already have a condition requiring treatment and given how crazy inflated our medical costs are even for simple procedures). If you already have a condition your best bet is either work for a company that provides insurance or to go on welfare or other government assistance that can give you free healthcare. Your other alternative is to have enough money and right connections to be able to go overseas to get treatment - which is what some uninsured immigrant business owners do. When they need a surgery they go back to their home country and get it there for a mere fraction of the cost. Most countries (even the ones we consider 3rd world) have decent healthcare and facilities for those willing to pay higher prices and unless you need some complicated procedures requiring state of the art out of research lab equipment you'll be better off. But if traveling overseas is not an option and you are uninsurable in the US - you either have to be rich (have business generate lots of money) or very very poor (unemployed). Middle class uninsurable person has the short end of the stick.
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