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Old 06-11-2009, 09:16 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Originally Posted by ArizonaBear View Post
Flip side: most Black ghettos are also de facto 'sundown towns'-----------for us White folks. Parts of Wash DC come to mind.

Hell; the 'uptown' Black folk have been fleeing the above ghettos in droves since the Jim Crow laws went away---------not that I blame them either.
The point was that the "fear" of harm is not a one-way street.

Also, all upper income Blacks do not flee predominantly Black neighborhoods en masse "as soon as they are able" - some but not all. Many Blacks that live in middle-class predominantly Black areas have no desire to uproot to live among White people. There are many communities where Blacks prefer to live among other middle- and upper-middle class Blacks.

The "racist" attitude comes when people assume that Black always equals "ghetto" which is an opinion based in ignorance of the culture.

 
Old 06-11-2009, 09:17 PM
 
Location: NE Florida
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How come you can be proud to be Asian
Hispanic
Black
Gay
But if you're proud to be white you are considered prejudice.
How come if your Asian,Black,Hispanic and you want your children to marry within their own race you are considered proud, but if you're white and want your child to marry another white you are considered prejudice?
That's ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. There IS something wrong with believing that you are better than another because of the color of your skin or ethnicity.

Morons and brilliant people come in all shapes and sizes. And threads like this prove my point.
 
Old 06-11-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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It should be OK to be white and accept it just as being of another race is officially approved. To do otherwise is to officially state that whites are somehow superior and need to be derided by encouraging other races to be proud.
Definitely, it is okay to be White (or any other race), and to accept and express pride in it. As I indicated before, the U.S. has historically expressed pride in Whiteness, and currently still does. As I have also already stated, it seems somewhat redundant to verbally express something that seems to be already expressed in so many different forms in the U.S. Nevertheless, if a White person wants to express pride in being White, go for it. In fact, Tallrick's quote seems to suggest that not expressing pride in Whiteness actually reifies White superiority. So, s/he expressed her/his pride, as the following quote reflects:

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The most beautiful white women compared to the best Asian, African or mix cannot even compare in my view. The same can be said of the males.
This quote is interesting. Not expressing pride in Whiteness reifies White superiority. However, when Tallrick expresses pride, for some reason, it also seems to reify White superiority. Hmmm. At the very least, Tallrick's statement, in my opinion, is ethnocentric.
 
Old 06-11-2009, 10:20 PM
 
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We adopted two white children (and we're white)

Everyone just assumed when we said we were adopting we would get a child other than white, probably black, hispanic, oriental, anything other than white.

When we introduced our new family many people were surprised and somewhat confused. We were also attacked and criticized for our choice. We simply wanted to adopt within our own race, but that was used as a basis to accuse us of racism. I chose to marry a white man, so I guess that made me racist?

We actually lost many "friends" after our adoption, they were uncomfortable with our 'racist" decision.

I've found its ok to be white as long as you apologize for it.

And, to address the issue of adoption, yes, there are many children needing adoption, of all races. I refuse to discuss the choice issue with anyone unless they have adopted at least one child of any race. At least I gave a home to 2 abused, abandonded, neglected children. What have they done but criticize my efforts?It was stating this very sentiment that lost us 2 "friends" who, to this day, haven't adopted anything, unless you consider 2 dogs they got last year.....
 
Old 06-11-2009, 10:26 PM
 
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That statement alone makes your arguments moot.

If us (mostly White) Americans were able to rise from colonial status to superpower status in ca. 150 years----------what is holding back many other cultures/societies?
You do know it hasn't been 150 years since Kenya has been independent, do you? African nations are the youngest on Earth, by far.

And you aren't really comparing colonialism in Africa to that in the colonies, are you? Or for that matter, colonialism pretty much anywhere Whites weren't the majority? Do you know what they did in the Congo Free State when the workers wouldn't bring back enough rubber? They brought back a basket of hands to make up for each shortage. That was colonialism in Africa. Colonialism in America? Small beans. Don't even get me started on the French engineered famines that killed millions in Southeast Asia.
 
Old 06-11-2009, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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That statement alone makes your arguments moot.

If us (mostly White) Americans were able to rise from colonial status to superpower status in ca. 150 years----------what is holding back many other cultures/societies?
They're being held back by the prejudices and racism that is forced upon them by the ruling class, which are white men. It's easy to come up when you don't have to worry about being an outcast in a society that historically has treated your race bad. Who was in America treating the colonials bad? They conquered America and took the land from the Native Americans. And while England was sending ships over on a regular basis, it took them months to get here. Pretty hard to fight a war from such a distance. You have to give England credit, they tried, but Canada (the French Canadians) and France became allies of America and provided support. Who was there to support African slaves? Lincoln may have freed the slaves, but not because he wanted to. That was just a measure to ensure the US remained one nation, and not many different "countries". And at the end of slavery, how does one build a life from nothing; no home, no money, no job and no education? That is what the slaves were faced with. At the end of the Revolutionary War the colonists went on with life as usual, running their businesses, making their money, getting their children educated and living in their homes. So they didn't have to start from nothing. All of the colonists spoke English, whereas the African slave didn't, so they had to learn the language and how to read and write before they could do anything in society. Then they still had to deal with racism from the ruling class.
Why are Americans of African descent still experiencing "firsts" in the 21st century? White people in America have had 200 years' head start over Americans of African descent, and they are the ruling class, so of course they will be better off.

Why are all of the people "accidentally" shot by the NYPD or LAPD minorities? How can 10% of the American population make up 90% of the prisons? Why is the SAT, used to gauge college entrance, easier for white students than for minorities? It's because the people with all the power (white people) are making the rules and are the standard everyone else is compared to. If it looks like a minority is getting ahead, they just have to change the rules to make sure not too many get ahead. If that weren't the case, Americans of African descent would be further along than they are. Jim Crow laws were abolished in the 1960s. It took 100 years (slavery was promised to be abolished by Lincoln in his Emancipation Proclamation of January 1863) for a group of people, who are just as much American as any white person, to get almost equal right. I say almost, because minorities are still fighting, to this day, to gain some equality in America. Why should a group of people have to fight so hard to earn a place in a society that was built on the backs, blood, sweat and tears of their ancestors? And what hope do other minorities have, who come to America with their cultures, languages and customs intact? Americans of African descent are the most assimilated group one can find in America and they still aren't accepted. Why not? I think it's because they're a reminder to white Americans of the abominations perpetrated by their ancestors.
 
Old 06-11-2009, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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Originally Posted by marylee54 View Post
We adopted two white children (and we're white)

Everyone just assumed when we said we were adopting we would get a child other than white, probably black, hispanic, oriental, anything other than white.

When we introduced our new family many people were surprised and somewhat confused. We were also attacked and criticized for our choice. We simply wanted to adopt within our own race, but that was used as a basis to accuse us of racism. I chose to marry a white man, so I guess that made me racist?

We actually lost many "friends" after our adoption, they were uncomfortable with our 'racist" decision.

I've found its ok to be white as long as you apologize for it.

And, to address the issue of adoption, yes, there are many children needing adoption, of all races. I refuse to discuss the choice issue with anyone unless they have adopted at least one child of any race. At least I gave a home to 2 abused, abandonded, neglected children. What have they done but criticize my efforts?It was stating this very sentiment that lost us 2 "friends" who, to this day, haven't adopted anything, unless you consider 2 dogs they got last year.....
Your 'friends' were wrong. I, personally don't understand why more of an effort isn't made to get more kids adopted by individuals of their own race. If you are white, you aren't aware of what minorities go through in society and I don't think you can teach them about their history both before and in American society. I think it's self-righteousness that makes white people think they need to "save" minorities and give them better homes because the people of their own race can't do it. So I applaud you for adopting within your race, because that's what you wanted to do.
 
Old 06-12-2009, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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this thread proves what's wrong with everything
 
Old 06-12-2009, 12:17 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Originally Posted by marylee54 View Post
We adopted two white children (and we're white)

Everyone just assumed when we said we were adopting we would get a child other than white, probably black, hispanic, oriental , anything other than white.

When we introduced our new family many people were surprised and somewhat confused. We were also attacked and criticized for our choice. We simply wanted to adopt within our own race, but that was used as a basis to accuse us of racism. I chose to marry a white man, so I guess that made me racist?

We actually lost many "friends" after our adoption, they were uncomfortable with our 'racist" decision.

I've found its ok to be white as long as you apologize for it.

And, to address the issue of adoption, yes, there are many children needing adoption, of all races. I refuse to discuss the choice issue with anyone unless they have adopted at least one child of any race. At least I gave a home to 2 abused, abandonded, neglected children. What have they done but criticize my efforts?It was stating this very sentiment that lost us 2 "friends" who, to this day, haven't adopted anything, unless you consider 2 dogs they got last year.....
Maybe its a good thing that you didn't adopt any "oriental", "Mexican" or "Negro" children.
 
Old 06-12-2009, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by marylee54 View Post
We adopted two white children (and we're white)

Everyone just assumed when we said we were adopting we would get a child other than white, probably black, hispanic, oriental, anything other than white.

When we introduced our new family many people were surprised and somewhat confused. We were also attacked and criticized for our choice. We simply wanted to adopt within our own race, but that was used as a basis to accuse us of racism. I chose to marry a white man, so I guess that made me racist?

We actually lost many "friends" after our adoption, they were uncomfortable with our 'racist" decision.

I've found its ok to be white as long as you apologize for it.

And, to address the issue of adoption, yes, there are many children needing adoption, of all races. I refuse to discuss the choice issue with anyone unless they have adopted at least one child of any race. At least I gave a home to 2 abused, abandonded, neglected children. What have they done but criticize my efforts?It was stating this very sentiment that lost us 2 "friends" who, to this day, haven't adopted anything, unless you consider 2 dogs they got last year.....

People are pathetic today. Makes me sick really. So hell bent on the notion that if you don't date black, adopt black, etc that its racist.
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