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Old 07-09-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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Originally Posted by tropolis View Post
You said white pride is ok, which is the mantra of organizations like VNN and Stormfront. If you believe in white pride, you believe in what those organizations stand for.

I don't hate white people. I date a white girl, my mom is white, and many of my friends are white.

What I dislike are whites that believe the idea of white pride, etc.
When are you going to get around to providing quotes, where I said I was proud of being white and/or a white supremacist, or just admit that you're a liar?

 
Old 07-09-2009, 12:02 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Originally Posted by tropolis View Post
You said white pride is ok, which is the mantra of organizations like VNN and Stormfront. If you believe in white pride, you believe in what those organizations stand for.

I don't hate white people. I date a white girl, my mom is white, and many of my friends are white.

What I dislike are whites that believe the idea of white pride, etc.
Again, where did I say 'white pride' in the context you speak of , is OK? What I believe is that it's OK to be OK with your race, white or otherwise, so long as that is not the single defining measure. Is not being ashamed of being white the same thing as an advocacy of 'white pride'? As defined by Stormfront or whatever? Truthfully, it would be awful fun to drop some of those jackasses in the jungle, and set a group of Negritos after them and see how far their skin color gets them. . I know where my moneys at. Where you and I diverge is that you have taken all the bad you have seen, and ignored whatever good you have seen, and developed a generalized view of the world based entirely on the negative. LMAO, you really think a guy like me would last 3 seconds at a 'white pride' rally? I'd sooner drink turpentine and pea on a brushfire as even get within a hundred miles of those creeps. In the earlier mentioned scenerio in the jungle, I'll put on a loincloth and pick up a blowgun and a slingshot , thanks.
 
Old 07-09-2009, 12:08 PM
 
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Before I comment let me give a disclaimer: I'm African American and I'm definitely not a "Blame Whitey" type of guy. However, I must point out incorrect information and poorly used logic (on both sides of the argument) for the sake of fairness to this whole discussion:


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Less than 15 years ago, nearly a million Hutus & Tutsis killed each other in Rwanda. Is that Ole Whitey's fault?
In the late 1800s a Roman Catholic Missionary group called the "White Fathers" came to Rwanda where they developed and taught the "Hamitic" theory of race origins. This theory taught that the Tutsi were a superior race to the Hutus and his been considered one of the catalysts that played a very significant role in the racial divide in Rwanda leading up to the genecide.

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It is estimated that there are (maybe) 8,000 people in the KKK today.

There are approximately 175,000,000 white Americans.

What percentage of white Americans are, in any way, associated with the KKK?


Then compare that to the number/percentage of black Americans who are members of the Black Panters, the Nation of Islam, Millions More Movement, the New Black Panthers, the Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ, etc.


Both the number, and percentage, of blacks who are involved in hate groups is FAR HIGHER than the number of whites.
Here's a flaw in your logic. You can't compare the membership of ONE white supremacy group (the KKK) to the membership of several groups that you allege are black hate groups. Thats just statistically unfair.

Sure the KKK has an estimated 8,000 members but that does not include the countless other white supremacy groups. That doesn't include other groups like Aryan Nations, American Nazi Party, National Alliance, National Socialist Movement, National Socialist Vangaurd, etc.

Secondly, to label the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, or the Millions More Movement as "hate groups" or even compare them to the KKK shows a lack of knowledge on your part (the Israelite Church of God In Jesus Christ is, however, a hate group so no argument there).

You could make the argument that some members of the Nation of Islam hold black supremacy beliefs, but the same argument could be made for various members of Christian denominations as well concerning white supremacy. The Nation of Islam does not, as a whole, practice black supremacy any more than Southern Baptists practice white supremacy. (I will concede that they do however, practice black separatism).

I would suggest you do research on the tenants of the Black Panthers or the Millions More Movement. You seem to be confused.
 
Old 07-09-2009, 12:12 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Yup, like i said in my previous posts.
A minority bumps into another minorty, they be like "fool, watch where ya going". And so forth. There wont be any tone or the look of "hey, who you bumping you non white boy"

You bump into or somehow hurt their fragile feelings, they'll look at you head to toe and give you their favorite quote "Who do you think you are". Meaning, hey cant you see im white and your of inferior skin tone. The look says it all!!

You can talk to a Hispanic, Black, Chinese, Filipino, and its amazing how the experiences are universally the same.

They really have little or no clue. Only minorities get the drift.
'Only minorities get the drift"? LMAO, what absolute drivel! A white guy just CAN"T know what it feels like to feel singled out or be made aware of perceived inferiorities and shortcomings. A white person could never have been made painfully aware that he/she is different from the norm and been scuffed up a mite before being accepted for what they are rather than what they appear to be. Bold, very bold indeed, and arrogant beyond compare.
 
Old 07-09-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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For the love of god just lock this thread already.
 
Old 07-09-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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Before I comment let me give a disclaimer: I'm African American and I'm definitely not a "Blame Whitey" type of guy. However, I must point out incorrect information and poorly used logic (on both sides of the argument) for the sake of fairness to this whole discussion:

In the late 1800s a Roman Catholic Missionary group called the "White Fathers" came to Rwanda where they developed and taught the "Hamitic" theory of race origins. This theory taught that the Tutsi were a superior race to the Hutus and his been considered one of the catalysts that played a very significant role in the racial divide in Rwanda leading up to the genecide.

Here's a flaw in your logic. You can't compare the membership of ONE white supremacy group (the KKK) to the membership of several groups that you allege are black hate groups. Thats just statistically unfair.

Sure the KKK has an estimated 8,000 members but that does not include the countless other white supremacy groups. That doesn't include other groups like Aryan Nations, American Nazi Party, National Alliance, National Socialist Movement, National Socialist Vangaurd, etc.

Secondly, to label the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, or the Millions More Movement as "hate groups" or even compare them to the KKK shows a lack of knowledge on your part (the Israelite Church of God In Jesus Christ is, however, a hate group so no argument there).

You could make the argument that some members of the Nation of Islam hold black supremacy beliefs, but the same argument could be made for various members of Christian denominations as well concerning white supremacy. The Nation of Islam does not, as a whole, practice black supremacy any more than Southern Baptists practice white supremacy. (I will concede that they do however, practice black separatism).

I would suggest you do research on the tenants of the Black Panthers or the Millions More Movement. You seem to be confused.
The POINT is that there are racist haters of every race, color, religion and sexuality. Blacks that are blaming whites for all their problems are REALLY barking up the wrong tree.

And I am NOT confused about what the Black Panthers and Millions More Movement are all about. I'd suggest you stop making excuses for them.
 
Old 07-09-2009, 01:59 PM
 
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And I am NOT confused about what the Black Panthers and Millions More Movement are all about. I'd suggest you stop making excuses for them.
I am in no way making excuses for either organization. I have no stake in either group and have nothing to gain from anything related to them.

Just for the sake of clarity, what do you think the two organizations are about?
 
Old 07-09-2009, 02:01 PM
 
Location: southern california
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the fruit of self hatred among the talented and smart is a crop of cruel and cynical people.
 
Old 07-09-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Chicago's Finest
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.I suppose that native is close enough though, they were here first. .
Yeah, being here first was all I was going with it. I do acknowledge those facts though. Just don't reference them much. But thanks.
 
Old 07-09-2009, 02:19 PM
 
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I am in no way making excuses for either organization. I have no stake in either group and have nothing to gain from anything related to them.

Just for the sake of clarity, what do you think the two organizations are about?
The Black Panthers were/are all about Black Power - black nationalism, and the promotion of black separatism. While I don't agree with J Edgar Hoover's view of them, there is no question that in their ideology, they are not above the use of violence.

The Millions More Movement is an extension of Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. There is no escaping that fact.


This doesn't even account for entities such as HBCUs, the NAACP, etc. Would you be okay with the existence and promotion of an NAAWP? Or do you think that maybe it's time to drop all that crap?
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