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First, you said: "1. Force everyone to pay $1,000 a year, whether they get health insurance of not, to bail out the the insurance industry (the only industry that's not in trouble)."
NOW, you said: "Everybody pays the $1,000. It can either be a down payment on a private health insurance plan, or a fine for not paying it to a private insurance company."
See the difference??
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If you have this much difficulty with simple concepts, how do you expect to deal with hard ones.
Look. Everybody has to pay the first thousand dollars, right? It's either a quarter of their health insurance (the part that goes to insurance companies profits, advertising and wasted overhead), or it goes as the fine. Nevertheless, everybody pays it, and it's a thousand bucks. Everybody. Unless the handlers actually do work out some plan to help the lazy/stupid that you are so fond of casstigating. If you still don't get it, ask somebody else.
If you have this much difficulty with simple concepts, how do you expect to deal with hard ones.
It's not simple concepts that give me difficulty - it's simple people.
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Look. Everybody has to pay the first thousand dollars, right?
No, wrong again. I admit it wouldn't cover much, but if I switched to the cheapest plan available to me, my annual premium would be less than $1K.
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Unless the handlers actually do work out some plan to help the lazy/stupid that you are so fond of casstigating. If you still don't get it, ask somebody else.
You might be thinking of someone else. And believe me, I'm not looking to you to help me understand a thing.
i love mr obama, but vouchers wont make the unemployed buy houses and cars.
the gap between the disenfranchised and the elite is widening like the grande canyon at warp 9.
The "cash for clunkers" plan is sleight of hand. Who owns a qualifying vehicle AND can afford/wants a brand new car???
Owning a vehicle of the age that qualifies suggests two scenarios: 1) Owner cannot afford more, 2) Owner is frugal and knows about depreciation.
I drive a 1994 Isuzu Trooper and just rolled 200,000 miles. It runs perfectly. Paid off for a long time. Why would I purchase a $25-45k NEW car??
Actaully the clunker paln was done by the state here in Texas. The purpose was to get many of the high polluting vehicles off the roadway as they contribute so much to it. It was very successful and the money that was alotted ranout pretty quickly. It allowed some to get a new vehicle and took alot of clunkers off the roadway.People con themselves into believing that electric and hydrogen vehicles are just around the corner when they will be expensive;take tons of new infratructure and have their own pollution problems like battery disposal ansd the electric grind. The main thing is they won't be cheap ;so this plan makes some sense;especially when you look at the rest of the stimulus much of which does nothing for the common man really. I'd much rather see some mother with kids riding down the highway in a new corrola say than some junker with the wheels about to fall off and burning more oil than gas.
I admit it wouldn't cover much, but if I switched to the cheapest plan available to me, my annual premium would be less than $1K.
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Your plan would pay according to a per-condition schedule, and would NEVER pay more than 10% of your actual billed cost, no pre-existing conditions at all, and pre-existing would include anything new that came up the first year, and as soon as they had you hooked, your premiums would be at least doubled within 2 or 3 years and you'd still have no real coverage for anything. I've known people who had that plan. You'd be better off paying the $1,000 fine. At least, it would still be $1,000 each year, instead of escalating.
Anyway this thread is about the car czar, which is going to be just another punishment heaped onto the shoulders of those who would dare to be poor.
Your plan would pay according to a per-condition schedule, and would NEVER pay more than 10% of your actual billed cost, no pre-existing conditions at all, and pre-existing would include anything new that came up the first year, and as soon as they had you hooked, your premiums would be at least doubled within 2 or 3 years and you'd still have no real coverage for anything. I've known people who had that plan. You'd be better off paying the $1,000 fine. At least, it would still be $1,000 each year, instead of escalating.
Wrong yet again. You've "known people who have had that plan", eh? Fine - tell me exactly what plan I'm talking about.
Come on. You can do it.
Actually, you have multiple opportunities to be right, since there are at least two fee-for-service plans and several HMOs where my annual premium would be less than $1000. So, which one are you talking about?
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Anyway this thread is about the car czar, which is going to be just another punishment heaped onto the shoulders of those who would dare to be poor.
Yes, very good - the thread is about the "cash for clunkers" program. And just one of the pearls of wisdom you've contributed to the thread:
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Force every driver to buy a new car, to bail out the auto industry.
Watch and see. The whole objective is to get car production back up to speed. It is a fact that the vouchers are valid only against the purchase of a NEW car. Which compels participants to not simply replace their old clunker, but to buy a new one.
And, of course, you know it to be wrong... because?
How do I know that the statement "Force every driver to buy a new car, to bail out the auto industry" is wrong? I've read the bill. Have you? There is no, repeat no, provision in the bill that requires all drivers to buy a new car.
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