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Now wait a minute..men get snipped and women take a pill? um...yeah follow hitler much?
I won't deny that it's a hitler approach that will never be realized, but the procedures can be reversible from what I understand. There is BC for women that can last for months (maybe even longer, I'm not sure).
..In pregnancy, treating women as victims of a man's deed by its very nature, invokes a notion of female inferiority/victimhood.
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The only solution to problems is to start addressing the problems, instead of assigning blame and concentrating on concepts like inferiority and victimhood.
Obviously, there need to be social measures that discourage people from engaging in destructively irresponsible behavior. But there will always be people who do, and leave a trail of problems that will not vanish by the expedient of simple blame.
Above all else, every human being is entitled to dignity. Social resolution ought to be designed to give that dignity the highest priority, and attempt to minimize our problems without minimizing the dignity of those who, unlike you and me, are imperfect.
The only solution to problems is to start addressing the problems, instead of assigning blame and concentrating on concepts like inferiority and victimhood.
Obviously, there need to be social measures that discourage people from engaging in destructively irresponsible behavior. But there will always be people who do, and leave a trail of problems that will not vanish by the expedient of simple blame.
Above all else, every human being is entitled to dignity. Social resolution ought to be designed to give that dignity the highest priority, and attempt to minimize our problems without minimizing the dignity of those who, unlike you and me, are imperfect.
I kind of disagree with this statement. The fact is that women ARE legally viewed as inferior victims of a male copulation. This, under the current system, allows them to shirk responsibility for their imperfections. I, and I presume you, are willing to accept responsibility for our actions without waiting for someone else to "minimize" my problem that I (YOU) CREATED. I realize that I am imperfect, and therefore take as many precautions to 'minimize' the likelihood of my problems occurring in the first place. When those precautions fail, I deal with it. Simple as that. Nothing is guaranteed foolproof.
Whats crazy, is that we only offer to minimize the parental problems of women in this country (after she engages in the act of consensual sex). A man seeking to minimize his problems with dignity (after he engages in the act of consensual sex) by rejecting his responsibility to an unwanted child faces outcries of immorality, which is reinforced by legal punishment for doing so.
In essence, one sex is viewed as a victim who needs our help to minimize her problems, while the other is offered NO recourse to help minimize his problems.
I dont argue that anyone take away a woman's right to abort an unwanted child. As we all agree: it is her body. But a man's body is his also. And if his body doesnt want to be responsible for a child, he should also be afforded the same opportunity to reject that responsibility that a woman is afforded to reject her responsibility via abortion. At the present, our legal system is rooted in pure gender inequality.
there is a district in China where marriage does not occur. The men and women of the community mingle freely, and when babies are born, they live with the mother, who lives with her own parents. It is not a free-for-all orgy, the mating is voluntary and done discreetly and with decorum, and there is allowance for fun on the side. Nobody seems to be blaming anybody for victimhood, and all children are properly cared for and reared in a stable family home.
I agree with everything said here. I am also in agreement with 2Mares...In pregnancy, treating women as victims of a man's deed by its very nature, invokes a notion of female inferiority/victimhood.
Women are every bit as responsible for becoming pregnant as men are for impregnating them. As 2mares said: It sounds as silly saying "He got me pregnant" as it does "we are pregnant".
If a woman is afforded both the option to abort a child (which also effects the unborn child negatively) or keep it. A man should be afforded both the option to accept responsibility for a child AND the option to reject responsibility for it if he didnt want the child.
IMO It isnt about whether one party SHOULD have done this or shouldnt have had sex or whatnot. The fact is: They BOTH decided to have sex. So there needs to be some recourse for BOTH parties should either one decide they do not want to accept responsibility for a child; if there is recourse for one party. Currently recourse(s) that exists is only afforded to women in the form of a choice between an abortion (which is also an abrogation of parental responsibility) or to adopt, or keep the child should she decide to.
I dont see how a woman making an independent decision to abort a child (thereby rejecting her parental responsibility), is any less irresponsible and harmless to the child, than a man who decides to reject HIS parental responsibility.
And I understand that they may both socially be viewed as 'deadbeats'...however, we currently only hold only ONE gender legally accountable for being a deadbeat parent. That is pure inequality imo.
The woman has the abortion and the man deals with nothing, not even the cost. There's no affect on the family or school or taxpayers. If however, dad decides to walk away from his child, then EVERYONE pays, everyone except him.
So let's consider how this would all play out, if men could just walk away from their unborn child and never have to be a father in any sense.....just because he wants to......he never visits, helps, cooks, teaches, supports, pays, drives the kid or anything. He doesn't have to. The kid knows this. Maybe your parents know and wish they could see their grandchild. And if any guy can do this, it's not a stretch to see more kids with no dads growing up knowing dad just bailed. What kind of message are you trying to send? How does this benefit anyone?
The woman has the abortion and the man deals with nothing, not even the cost. There's no affect on the family or school or taxpayers. If however, dad decides to walk away from his child, then EVERYONE pays, everyone except him.
If a man wants to have a child and a woman has an abortion he pays a great deal emotionally. How does everyone pay when a man decides to walk away from his child, anymore so than they would pay if a woman decides to abort her child, thereby ending the life of what could potentially be the next Bill Gates, or the finder of a cure for cancer?
Society only holds men accountable for walking away from his child. We tend not to consider what all a woman could be depriving EVERYONE when she chooses to have an abortion. She too is doing society a great injustice.
Just as there is no guarantee that every single mother will struggle financially, thereby becoming a burden to taxpayers (OR we could let them be accountable for their own offspring). There is no guarantee that an aborted child could not have been the next great humanitarian, thereby also depriving society/taxpayers of a potentially extraordinary mind.
The woman has the abortion and the man deals with nothing, not even the cost. There's no affect on the family or school or taxpayers. If however, dad decides to walk away from his child, then EVERYONE pays, everyone except him.
Not true. The man could have regrets one day and all could be lost. He could say that he wants to be apart of the kids life and the mom and/or the kid could say no.
I think that is a big loss. Think of his parents as well.
If a man wants to have a child and a woman has an abortion he pays a great deal emotionally. How does everyone pay when a man decides to walk away from his child, anymore so than they would pay if a woman decides to abort her child, thereby ending the life of what could potentially be the next Bill Gates, or the finder of a cure for cancer?
That's not really the case you've been talking about though. Plus if the man pays emotionally for the abortion, then so does the woman. And the case of the man wanting the child and the woman wanting the abortion is a much less frequent occurence than the other way around, cause hey, that's what this is all about right? Woman wants baby, man doesn't, so man wants no financial or legal obligation. So you can't use these rare instances or the whole 'ending a life' excuse to justify why you would prefer she have the abortion from the start. If abotion is such a bad choice, and you're gonna walk away if she has the baby, then what choices are you leaving the mother with??
Society only holds men accountable for walking away from his child. We tend not to consider what all a woman could be depriving EVERYONE when she chooses to have an abortion. She too is doing society a great injustice.
So you're against abortion?
Just as there is no guarantee that every single mother will struggle financially, thereby becoming a burden to taxpayers (OR we could let them be accountable for their own offspring). There is no guarantee that an aborted child could not have been the next great humanitarian, thereby also depriving society/taxpayers of a potentially extraordinary mind.
Not true. The man could have regrets one day and all could be lost. He could say that he wants to be apart of the kids life and the mom and/or the kid could say no.
I think that is a big loss. Think of his parents as well.
The woman could also have regrets one day.
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