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Old 06-13-2009, 08:23 PM
 
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It's not about the leaders. It's about the American people, who think that the only thing wrong with the rest of the world is that it is not populated by Americans in all their flawless perfection. Americans believe the rest of the world is inhabited by people who have a faulty morality, faulty religion, faulty economics, faulty sense of justice, faulty personal hygiene, faulty languages, faulty olympians, faulty shopping malls, faulty TV news, faulty haircuts. And these faults can only be redressed by forcing the poor souls (at gunpoint if necessary) to assume our own unblemished qualities.

By "leaders", I mean the American people as a whole setting their own self-proclaimed moral virtues as the gold standard for global human behavior. Expecting everyone else to "improve" themselves by learning to do things the way Americans do.
I cant give answer to much of what you said, but, I can say that Americans (By and large) feel quite entitled ; entitlement attitudes are readily seen in the USA. I wish it were not so.
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Old 06-13-2009, 08:26 PM
 
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[quote=tallrick;9276434]Drug prohibition is a failure and was only created to destroy the Constitution. Too bad we cannot bring back the Founding Fathers to straighten this mess out.[/quote

I fear their response would be ... 'America is beyond hope now' .
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Old 06-14-2009, 08:21 AM
 
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If the person is not able to follow the rules of society and cause others harm they should be punished. Even if half of America does not follow the rules then half should be in Prison. We need a safe and efficient culture!
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Old 06-14-2009, 09:22 AM
 
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Further, have you graced the walls of Prison yet ? Thank you.
Yes.

I spent almost three years at the federal prison in Miami, FL; then 2 1/2 years at the federal psychiatric facilty in Butner, NC; and finally, 11 months at the federal penitentiary in Marion, IL. (Marion is the penitentiary that was built to replace Alcatraz, and only the worst inmates in the entire federal prison system were sent there.)

But, then again, I got to home at night and on weekends.
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Old 06-14-2009, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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If the person is not able to follow the rules of society and cause others harm they should be punished. Even if half of America does not follow the rules then half should be in Prison. We need a safe and efficient culture!
Excuse me, but I think you just said every driver who ever goes 66 in a 65 belongs in prison. Did I misinterpret something?

On he other hand, I think you also just said that 60% of our prisoners ought to be released, because they did not cause others harm.

Which side are you on?
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:02 AM
 
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Excuse me, but I think you just said every driver who ever goes 66 in a 65 belongs in prison. Did I misinterpret something?

On he other hand, I think you also just said that 60% of our prisoners ought to be released, because they did not cause others harm.

Which side are you on?
I think society should be tougher not easier on people who commit crimes. If someone has been arrested and tried and convicted a dozen times maybe they should spend more time in prison, they are not helping our troubled society. Of course going 66 in a 65 zone does not make you eligible for prison.
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I think society should be tougher not easier on people who commit crimes. If someone has been arrested and tried and convicted a dozen times maybe they should spend more time in prison, they are not helping our troubled society. Of course going 66 in a 65 zone does not make you eligible for prison.
OK. We are already, by far, the toughest society in the world on crime. What have we gained from it? We still hare more crime than most other countries. How much tougher do we need to get, before it starts reducing crime?

You're right, we ought to get tougher on people who habitually commit repeated crimes of violence. But shouldnt we also get softer on all the people committing non-violent crimes and one-time offenders?

About a quarter of all people walking into prison are simply parole violators. Their "crime" was driving with an expired plate, or going with some friends to a ball game across the state line. We really need to make sensible judgments about who we imprison and who we don't. That is the real issue.

Currently, the policy is to throw everybody in jail as long as there is room and not throw anybody in jail when it gets overcrowded. What kind of criminal justice is that?
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Old 06-14-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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Yes.

I spent almost three years at the federal prison in Miami, FL; then 2 1/2 years at the federal psychiatric facilty in Butner, NC; and finally, 11 months at the federal penitentiary in Marion, IL. (Marion is the penitentiary that was built to replace Alcatraz, and only the worst inmates in the entire federal prison system were sent there.)

But, then again, I got to home at night and on weekends.
Thank you for your humility in sharing this ; I assume you are now in society full time and due to your prison experience, and now see the value in striving to be a model U.S. Citizen (?) . Im sure it was an extremely difficult lesson to learn, but I suspect you are an alot better person .
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Old 06-14-2009, 01:51 PM
 
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OK. We are already, by far, the toughest society in the world on crime. What have we gained from it? We still hare more crime than most other countries. How much tougher do we need to get, before it starts reducing crime?

You're right, we ought to get tougher on people who habitually commit repeated crimes of violence. But shouldnt we also get softer on all the people committing non-violent crimes and one-time offenders?

About a quarter of all people walking into prison are simply parole violators. Their "crime" was driving with an expired plate, or going with some friends to a ball game across the state line. We really need to make sensible judgments about who we imprison and who we don't. That is the real issue.

Currently, the policy is to throw everybody in jail as long as there is room and not throw anybody in jail when it gets overcrowded. What kind of criminal justice is that?
I think it would go a long way if our spineless Government were to revise some Constitutional 'Rights' to where they can step in and make our out of control Immoral Media refrain from glamorizing violence, sexual hedonism, adultery, and an array of other deviant perversions . A Moral Czar as a branch of the U.S. Government sounds like a good idea to me, except it would collapse the Government in on itself !
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Old 06-14-2009, 01:53 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Five percent of all Americans will be arrested and prosecuted for a crime this year. Adult men comprise about a third of all people, and make up a high proportion of those prosecuted, one can assume tnat nearly 15% of all American males will be hauled off to jail for something or other this year. How long will it be before it's your turn? These other countries must be terrible places to live, with all those criminals allowed to run loose. Like Canada, Netherlands, Norway. Or don't they have as many as we do? Does Norway have just as many criminals as the US, and 95% of them are allowed to just walk around, without prosecution? Or are Americans 20 times as likely to be crimanals as Norwegians?


Rank Countries Amount
# 1 United States: 48.029 per 1,000 people
# 2 Finland: 31.6349 per 1,000 people
# 3 New Zealand: 31.059 per 1,000 people
# 4 Turkey: 29.5727 per 1,000 people
# 5 United Kingdom: 24.8958 per 1,000 people
# 6 Korea, South: 24.5982 per 1,000 people
# 7 Slovenia: 11.5251 per 1,000 people
# 8 Canada: 11.5125 per 1,000 people
# 9 Hungary: 11.1701 per 1,000 people
# 10 Netherlands: 10.7919 per 1,000 people
# 11 Croatia: 10.1168 per 1,000 people
# 12 Portugal: 10.0978 per 1,000 people
# 13 Czech Republic: 9.98438 per 1,000 people
# 14 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 9.88753 per 1,000 people
# 15 Thailand: 8.91289 per 1,000 people
# 16 Estonia: 8.53488 per 1,000 people
# 17 Germany: 6.89863 per 1,000 people
# 18 Latvia: 6.66157 per 1,000 people
# 19 Belarus: 6.0199 per 1,000 people
# 20 Slovakia: 5.98472 per 1,000 people
# 21 Bulgaria: 5.82282 per 1,000 people
# 22 Zimbabwe: 4.51723 per 1,000 people
# 23 Kyrgyzstan: 4.15332 per 1,000 people
# 24 Hong Kong: 3.69532 per 1,000 people
# 25 Romania: 2.73896 per 1,000 people
# 26 Norway: 2.61463 per 1,000 people
# 27 Cyprus: 1.88429 per 1,000 people
# 28 Georgia: 1.48813 per 1,000 people
# 29 Japan: 1.14484 per 1,000 people
# 30 France: 0.893959 per 1,000 people
# 31 Mexico: 0.600021 per 1,000 people
# 32 Papua New Guinea: 0.187737 per 1,000 people
# 33 Zambia: 0.0222873 per 1,000 people
Weighted average: 10.5 per 1,000 people
wow according to this mexico is a really safe place. ill inform my mexican friends they will be surprised.
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