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Old 01-23-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: NoVA
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Is Manufacturing in the US Really Permanetly Dead/Leaving?

Unlikely, it seems like every week I read in the paper where someone(s) in this town gets arrested for "manufacturing". Doesn't seem to slow anything down though.
That's right, this country needs more meth labs.
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Old 01-23-2011, 03:00 PM
 
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I really don't want to believe it. I'm not saying blue collar workers/line workers deserve dirt, because they don't, but you have to be competitive, especially in this global manufacturing market. At some point the standard for line work will increase again once the world catches up, but in the meantime you have to be competitive. I have seen it mentioned that plants have popped up in the south were workers generally earn much less, but still are able to live comfortably, i think their example should be followed.

Here is my viewpoint/idea, if we really want to bring our economy back we need to buy american. Yes, buying only American will be more expensive in any circumstance, but it would be worth it in every aspect. From what i understand the Canadians do fairly well with this, and part of the reason why things are more expensive there. That said, theoretical point. While we are waiting for the rest of the world to catch up we should just buck up and take the pay cuts to become competitive. If you are happy with said modest lifestyle then great, but for many it would be a great opportunity for debt-less advancement per say. Many young people who graduate from high school have no way of paying for higher education and are fiscally responsible enough to realize that taking out a huge loan is not always a very good idea to pay for school. So working for any given plant and going to school for how ever many years would be a great way to achieve this. I'm planning on doing some sort of blue collar/physical labor as long as i need to in order to pay for my school/life in the meantime. If there was a plant nearby that i could work for in the meantime i would.

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I think what most people skip over is the fact that most mfg jobs have been lost to automation. Just like Machines reduced the need for farm labor.....computers and forms of artificial intelligence is reducing the need for manufacturing labor....as well as other forms of service labor. I think in the future it really will not matter who has the cheapest labor because artificial intelligence will be used for a lot of it. Furthermore, when artificial intelligence becomes recursive, meaning that it can create itself, then the need for human labor will be reduced even more.

Even now we are holding onto some old paradigms just to keep things afloat. I think the concept of high rise office buildings has passed its value. A good part of office work can be done at homes given broadband technology. There is really no need to to waist all that gas on commuting and waist all that energy heating huge buildings when people can and should be telecommuting more. However, if that happened commercial real-estate would collapse.
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Old 01-23-2011, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Tampa
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I think what most people skip over is the fact that most mfg jobs have been lost to automation. Just like Machines reduced the need for farm labor.....computers and forms of artificial intelligence is reducing the need for manufacturing labor....as well as other forms of service labor. I think in the future it really will not matter who has the cheapest labor because artificial intelligence will be used for a lot of it. Furthermore, when artificial intelligence becomes recursive, meaning that it can create itself, then the need for human labor will be reduced even more.

Even now we are holding onto some old paradigms just to keep things afloat. I think the concept of high rise office buildings has passed its value. A good part of office work can be done at homes given broadband technology. There is really no need to to waist all that gas on commuting and waist all that energy heating huge buildings when people can and should be telecommuting more. However, if that happened commercial real-estate would collapse.
AND, corps would have a harder time micro-managing you!
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