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Old 06-24-2009, 05:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I agree. You are confused.

In a nutshell, socialism / piracy eradicates private property ownership (absolute ownership by individuals) and replaces it with collective ownership (with the State / Collective holding a superior claim).

If a duly enrolled and enumerated American socialist fails to pay his socialist taxes, the State takes his property from him - or worse - incarcerates him for his "criminal" failure.

Since 1935, incremental Socialism has killed off or driven away production industries, and the jobs they once offered. Each expansion of socialist "benefits" (legislated thievery), took more from the workers paying the taxes.

Thus the non-productive beneficiaries are rewarded, and the productive people are penalized.

The growth in government administrative overhead plays a role in dragging down producers, too. Even though the socialist bureaucracy pays taxes, with wages paid by taxes, it's like a snake eating its own tail. The more the bureaucracy grows, the shorter the snake gets.

The remedy will require eradication of national socialism and all programs created under the aegis of FICA / Socialist InSecurity Act of 1935.

All taxes on production and labor must be abolished. All rewards for consumption and parasitism must be abolished. Otherwise, the parasitic load will kill the host. And that won't be good for either group.
Read my response to your post in bold.

You are contradicting yourself left and right with every post. Seems you are the one who is confused.
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:30 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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And again I ask...Can we distinguish between manufacturing?

While low skilled manufacturing is going overseas, skilled manufacturing and efficient production remains within our borders.

Exactly what should we do? Should we keep low skill jobs with poor wages here or should we expect our country to be manufacturers of goods that ultimately require design or high paying jobs here?
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Old 06-24-2009, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We do export a tremendous amount of Made in America goods. Most of them explode in the recipents faces.
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Our education system is NOT turning out the type of workers that are needed to keep a manufacturing economy going.

We have been turning out Politically Correct social workers, lawyers and teachers by the boat load but our engineers and scientists are outnumbered by the Chinese and Indian students. Hopefully we can keep enough of these brilliant students here to help rebuild the United States industrial base but as long as we keep turning out more Lawyers, Social Workers etc that will fight them tooth and toenail we will keep declining.

GL2
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Old 06-29-2009, 06:23 PM
 
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Americans screwing bolts in do not need to make $32 and hour. This is an entry level job that anyone can do. The person living on lower wages need to adjust their life style so that he/she may be afford to eat and sleep. Why would you start a family which you cannot afford? An entry level job needs entry level pay, not $32 an hour which a college graduate should be making.
You don't seem to understand what I wrote. Laborers and other simple workers didn't set the current US economy. However, the lower wage employees have to survive in an economic environment which they did not create, but is forced upon them. Those in China, India etc, who compete with the US workforce, can do so because they live in a different economic reality Do you comprehend that, or it is still too complicated??? If Americans are paid by Asian standards, they can never start a family, or even physically survive.
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As far as manufacturing goes, I think alot of it is leaving. The cost to manufacture a good in the US as well as consumer demand for lower prices is driving it away. But at the same time, do we really want to go back to dirty industry? Shouldn't we strive for something like the growing biomedical fields that pay high wages because less people are qualified to do the job at the required quality level? A better education should justify these higher paying jobs, not someone with a highschool diploma or GED.
Demand and supply. How many jobs can biomedical industry (and others) offer? In the moment that there will be serious demand, huge numbers of people will go to school to study these fields. In addition, millions H1-B visa foreigners will flood the country (since we open it wide). This will (again) result in reduced wages, less demand for workers and unemployment.
One last idea to consider - everything that the US can make, someone else in the world can do it cheaper. Think about that.
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Old 06-29-2009, 07:10 PM
 
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Why does everyone think that the US doesn't manufacture anything anymore?

We are still the global leader in manufacturing. We have just managed to be more productive and outsource lower end products overseas. Should we halt any progress in industrial manufacturing practices leading to greater productivity in order to maintain some extra line workers?
If we made television sets here a small spare one for the kids bedroom would cost $4,000.00.

In 1964 all color television sets were made in America and they cost $600 in 1962 dollars.

From an inflation calculator:

What cost $600.00 in 1964 would cost $4122.42 in 2008.

Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2008 and 1964, they would cost you $600.00 and $89.48 respectively.

We still manufacture a lot.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:48 AM
 
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manufacturing isn't "dead" in America. What did die, is the notion that we as a majority are really running things. All the chatter concerning skill is just proof of the delusional nature of some overeducated types who seem to think they are the true grit of America's future work paradigm.

Skill, was the main issue surrounding the early day inclusion of so called unskilled workers in the first unions. The "skilled" craftsmen decided they didn't have the collective muscle to get their demands met, hence the entry of "unskilled" workers in those unions.

Today we have the spectacle of worker against worker in an attempt to divide the entire workforce along the lines of skill vs non skilled. Does the doctor or Lawyer advocate for the plumber or truck driver? can the "skilled" folk's cover all bases in our society? These class lines serve only those in the far reaches of the uppermost tier of the wealthiest American's. As long as we're all getting comfortable with the idea of sacrificing some people for the benefit of some others, we'll remain divided, and therefore unable to provide a rescue of those "others" who, "we don't Need".
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: southern california
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work ethic is gone, and we have almost unlimited credit. there is no free trade just dumping here on credit (look at the trade deficiit). that will come to an end. then we will go back to work. only people i see here willing to do work are mexican people. i see posts contradicting this but i am not seeing it in my community.
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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work ethic is gone, and we have almost unlimited credit. there is no free trade just dumping here on credit (look at the trade deficiit). that will come to an end. then we will go back to work. only people i see here willing to do work are mexican people. i see posts contradicting this but i am not seeing it in my community.
I agree that work ethic is greatly weakened and with such poor work ethic, it amazes me what we pay to employ these people... There hasn't been free trade ever and it amazes me that people think there "is" free trade and even call it such for the longest time... However, I do disagree that "mexican" people are the only people that are willing to do work as I have seen plenty of "mexican" people who don't like to work... it depends on what people are working "for", a lot of the current generation Mexican's don't have to send money back to family or other things and so their work ethic has also been dropping... the age is the "me" age now, doesn't matter if they have good work ethic, it just matters that they are "who" they are and they deserve the "best" regardless if they worth it or not...
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:22 PM
 
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The number one reason why American labor and production is more expensive is the government, or more succinctly, the socialist government.

Every product and service sold in the USA (and exported), has a hidden socialist tax overhead attached to the retail price. (U.S. Constitution forbids export taxes, but no academic Economist will admit that socialist taxes are hidden in the retail price - where the customer pays all the taxes.)

Before I would wholeheartedly advocate "Buy American", I would preface that with "Shrink the government" and "Abolish Socialism".

Then equitable trade would restore America's prowess as a manufacturing powerhouse and technological innovator. It's common sense.

Ask yourself if a company that migrated overseas had the opportunity to operate its business without any tax liability in the USA, do you not think they'd repatriate?
In a heartbeat!

Stop taxing labor and production, lest we completely kill off the "golden goose".
The reason you see American manufacturing leaving the country is due to wages and health care. Not taxes. Foreign corporate taxes are similar to the US. An American owned company gets much more for their tax dollar overseas. ie health care. The insurance industry is plays a huge part in US companies outsourcing and sometimes leaving the country entirely.

Wages are what they are. This is a simple equation. As a business owner, does it make sense to pay American workers $20/hour or a foreign $2/hour? The foreign plants are more efficient but the quality is sometimes lower. But in America price sells. The days of selling quality are long past.
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