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Old 06-16-2009, 10:47 PM
 
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I really don't want to believe it. I'm not saying blue collar workers/line workers deserve dirt, because they don't, but you have to be competitive, especially in this global manufacturing market. At some point the standard for line work will increase again once the world catches up, but in the meantime you have to be competitive. I have seen it mentioned that plants have popped up in the south were workers generally earn much less, but still are able to live comfortably, i think their example should be followed.

Here is my viewpoint/idea, if we really want to bring our economy back we need to buy american. Yes, buying only American will be more expensive in any circumstance, but it would be worth it in every aspect. From what i understand the Canadians do fairly well with this, and part of the reason why things are more expensive there. That said, theoretical point. While we are waiting for the rest of the world to catch up we should just buck up and take the pay cuts to become competitive. If you are happy with said modest lifestyle then great, but for many it would be a great opportunity for debt-less advancement per say. Many young people who graduate from high school have no way of paying for higher education and are fiscally responsible enough to realize that taking out a huge loan is not always a very good idea to pay for school. So working for any given plant and going to school for how ever many years would be a great way to achieve this. I'm planning on doing some sort of blue collar/physical labor as long as i need to in order to pay for my school/life in the meantime. If there was a plant nearby that i could work for in the meantime i would.

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Old 06-16-2009, 10:59 PM
 
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IMO manufacturing that a third world contury can now do that is a hangover from the early 20th century is dead as far as being a good paying bluecollar job. The average worker then cam eto the job unskilled and had to be company trained to do basic screw assembly. Much of that has gone to less advanced countries. Our assembly jobs will require that workers be much more skilled in manufacturing. They also will be much more competitive and more on contract like many white collar jobs. Those that have the skills will be much more like to advance by moving work place several times in their life time to advance. Bascially the old lifetime secure job not dependent on performance are pretty much gone.JMHO
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Old 06-16-2009, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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You'd think, if we really gave it a high priority, we could figure figure out how to make paper clips, and then work our way up to refrigerator magnets.
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Old 06-17-2009, 02:32 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Here is my viewpoint/idea, if we really want to bring our economy back we need to buy american. Yes, buying only American will be more expensive in any circumstance, but it would be worth it in every aspect.
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The number one reason why American labor and production is more expensive is the government, or more succinctly, the socialist government.

Every product and service sold in the USA (and exported), has a hidden socialist tax overhead attached to the retail price. (U.S. Constitution forbids export taxes, but no academic Economist will admit that socialist taxes are hidden in the retail price - where the customer pays all the taxes.)

Before I would wholeheartedly advocate "Buy American", I would preface that with "Shrink the government" and "Abolish Socialism".

Then equitable trade would restore America's prowess as a manufacturing powerhouse and technological innovator. It's common sense.

Ask yourself if a company that migrated overseas had the opportunity to operate its business without any tax liability in the USA, do you not think they'd repatriate?
In a heartbeat!

Stop taxing labor and production, lest we completely kill off the "golden goose".
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Old 06-17-2009, 02:46 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why does everyone think that the US doesn't manufacture anything anymore?

We are still the global leader in manufacturing. We have just managed to be more productive and outsource lower end products overseas. Should we halt any progress in industrial manufacturing practices leading to greater productivity in order to maintain some extra line workers?
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Should we halt any progress in industrial manufacturing practices leading to greater productivity in order to maintain some extra line workers?
As long as we are philosophically committed to the over-riding and single-minded principle that Everybody Must Work, then Yes, that is exactly the course that is consistent with our core principle.
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Old 06-17-2009, 08:50 AM
 
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Why does everyone think that the US doesn't manufacture anything anymore?
Because that's what the media says, over and over.

The state of journalism nowadays is beyond pitiful.
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:51 AM
 
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We still manufacturer lots of things. I think it's the high labor items that gets sent overseas.

I have been hearing manufacturing would be completely gone for years and it is still hanging on.

Just remember that what you are really saving on by outsourcing is the labor costs. Throw shipping in there, plus a major learning curve, different to non-existent equipment, and you might as well keep it here I have been dealing with this for years now. The company has us research the savings to send something to a low cost area. Huge savings in labor, but everything else eats it up.

Larger companies have it easier because they can float the cash for the factories, training and can wait for their investment to pay off.

There are areas in the US with labor costs equivalent to Mexico.
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:58 AM
 
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As long as we are philosophically committed to the over-riding and single-minded principle that Everybody Must Work, then Yes, that is exactly the course that is consistent with our core principle.
It is not that everyone must work, only that everyone who must eat must work.
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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There are a number of categories of products that are virtually never made in the USA. One is after-market auto parts. Another is clothing. If you want Made In USA clothing, you have to pay L L Bean prices. There is one textile product that is still made in USA---bath towels. How hard is it to make a bath towel?

It looks like there are still quit a few things made in Quebec. I see them on "How It's Made" on the Discovery Channel.
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