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Here's my shred of evidence: 100,000 Americans killed in Korea and Vietnam. Disprove that "the US likes to manipulate things". Name for me a single country in the 20th century that attempted to establish a communist-style centrally planned economy, that the US did not punish either by direct invasion or severe economic sanctions. My position is that there is no such country. Prove me wrong by naming one. Absent any such country, on what basis can one assert that they would have failed anyway? If they would have failed anyway, why did we need to try so hard to make them fail? In fact, send 100,000 of our young fighting men to their deaths, to make sure they failed. If they could not have possibly succeeded because their philosophy was doomed to certain failure. Why not quietly sit here and smugly watch them fail?
It's fine with me. I don't care that anyone says we only THINK they don't want to wear them - it's all they've ever known, how could they know that wearing shorts and a t-shirt on a 110 degree day in St Louis is MUCH more comfortable than their oppressive burqas.
Every time I see a Muslim woman wearing a burqa, I whisper to my wife "Welcome to America and congratulations on all of your new freedoms."
Sarkozy said it is not about religion, but about subservience. OK, here's a solution. Every woman (or man) in France wearing a burqa is required to have, pinned to it, a notarized statement that she is wearing it voluntarily and of her own free will. That solves all the problems.
It's amazing to me how most here in the good ol' US assume that what we do is what everyone really wants to do... and if they don't, they are being repressed.
How would you feel if another society called you repressed because you didn't walk around nude the way they do?
I can't speak for everyone, but I wear clothing because I want to. As a male, I am certainly free in our society to wander the streets with no shirt on. It's not out of the ordinary in our culture. Yet I would personally never do that, because I personally find it revolting. That's just me. It has nothing to do with morals or religion or repression.
Why is it so hard for people to see that perhaps those women who cover their heads find not doing so unappealing or just something they don't want to do? It's not always about boogiemen and repression. It can be a personal choice issue. Have you ever seen a woman from the mid-east without a burqa? I have. Lots. That's their choice, just as wearing one is a choice.
Here's my shred of evidence: 100,000 Americans killed in Korea and Vietnam. Disprove that "the US likes to manipulate things". Name for me a single country in the 20th century that attempted to establish a communist-style centrally planned economy, that the US did not punish either by direct invasion or severe economic sanctions. My position is that there is no such country. Prove me wrong by naming one. Absent any such country, on what basis can one assert that they would have failed anyway? If they would have failed anyway, why did we need to try so hard to make them fail? In fact, send 100,000 of our young fighting men to their deaths, to make sure they failed. If they could not have possibly succeeded because their philosophy was doomed to certain failure. Why not quietly sit here and smugly watch them fail?
I think it is best to go back to the burqa subject. So what is your personal view on the burqa being denied to women in France?
It's amazing to me how most here in the good ol' US assume that what we do is what everyone really wants to do... and if they don't, they are being repressed.
How would you feel if another society called you repressed because you didn't walk around nude the way they do?
I can't speak for everyone, but I wear clothing because I want to. As a male, I am certainly free in our society to wander the streets with no shirt on. It's not out of the ordinary in our culture. Yet I would personally never do that, because I personally find it revolting. That's just me. It has nothing to do with morals or religion or repression.
Why is it so hard for people to see that perhaps those women who cover their heads find not doing so unappealing or just something they don't want to do? It's not always about boogiemen and repression. It can be a personal choice issue. Have you ever seen a woman from the mid-east without a burqa? I have. Lots. That's their choice, just as wearing one is a choice.
Good points. To much speculating has been going on here. True, we do not know which women may or may not want to wear the burqa. However, if they do not want to, it is on them if them if they want to allow someone telling them to wear it whether it is a man, God, or an ayatollah. If I see a woman wearing it and if she wants to take it off and some guy starts beating her up for that reason here in the US, then you bet that I will intervene no differently if I see some guy getting beat up on the street. You just cannot allow assault on anyone.
I think it is best to go back to the burqa subject. So what is your personal view on the burqa being denied to women in France?
You have a great day.
El Amigo
I answered your question two posts back. Let them wear it if they assert under oath in a notarized statement that they are wearing it of their own free will. How can that be a symbol of subservience?
I think it would be hilarious if rebellious French teenagers started wearing burqas as a protest fashion statement. What if a woman wants to wear it, and her husband tells her not to. Then Sarkozy is enforcing subservience.
Does Sarkozy believe that the only women in France who are subservient to their men are the ones wearing burqas?
France is a sovereign country and can make any laws it wants, without asking the permission of American internet discussion forums. But I personally disagree that this one is a good one
Does everybody remember that Sarkozy was the pro-American, anti-socialist candidate? The one that could be expected to bring France closer to doing things the American way?
If I see a woman wearing it and if she wants to take it off and some guy starts beating her up for that reason here in the US, then you bet that I will intervene no differently if I see some guy getting beat up on the street. You just cannot allow assault on anyone.
You have a great day.
El Amigo
Yes, absolutely. See, now we are talking about repression and have entered another aspect of the matter.
Its because fo teh socialist always wanting to force individauls to confrom that the freach have this.They are also afraid of free spoeech and have laws governing free expression which they fear.
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