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Old 06-26-2009, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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You turned her into an outcast in her own home
Horse manure!
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Plenty of parents are.
Really? Well, if that is the case - perhaps you would support the government taking the children away from those terrible parents??
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Nova Scotia
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Then it's clear you did not support her decision. You turned her into an outcast in her own home because she chose to abstain from meat. Is that what you're saying? Is that how you treated your own child?
Ok so if my child comes to me and says she does not want to eat meat, the rest of us should stop eating meat to support her? What about us who still want to eat meat, should we hide in a closet to eat it.

When my daughter told me this is what she wanted, I accommodated her and the grocery list, I added vegi burgers and tofu etc, I should maybe add for your benefit she went SIX MONTHS not eating meat. It just so happened the ribs was the end of it. Even today she says she does not know what she was thinking, because she loves meat. She was 14 at the time trying to try new things. So what should I have done in your opinion?
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:42 PM
 
Location: NC
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I believe in a balanced diet including meat in reasonable amounts. I also call horse manure on anyone who thinks vegetables are too expensive. Leafy green vegetables and beans are, pound for pound, some of the cheapest food products in a grocery store, on par with day old bread, if you think they are too expensive I am inclined to wonder what food you think is cheap. The problem is imho most people are too lazy to clean and cook them properly and thus will not go near them.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I eat both.

For meat it's usually something like chicken or turkey, preferably grilled. I can do without the greasy fried stuff. I also try not to over do it with lots of fatty red meat and prefer to cook for myself.

I don't get what's so horrible about eating animals. Do they not kill and eat each other out in the wild? Why aren't we allowed to join in on the fun.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:34 PM
 
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Vegetarians are the better of the two, obviously. They drive hybrid cars, have larger frontal lobes than non-vegetarians, beat their children less and, believe it or not, their sh*t doesn't stink AT ALL!

Proud omnivore here. If someone wants to go against evolution, that's their own deal. Just don't preach it to me, because no we aren't meant to be vegetarians, yes I've done the research (anthropologically, biologically, chemically, and any other way you could possibly imagine) and it's absolutely impossible to get the right amino acid balance.

I lean toward veggies though. I'm more likely to crave a big salad with a bit of protein like grilled chicken than anything starchy or processed. I like a heavily plant based, low starch, high protein diet. It's what works best for my body.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Norton, Massachusetts
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I am a vegetarian for a number of reasons. There is a lot of research that has shown that the human brain evolved much more quickly once our forebears began increasing the protein in their diets through meat. However, we have now gotten much further and can get our protein requirements from sources other than animals. So to me it it difficult to justify eating meat when there seems to be no nutritional reason to do so. In fact, some studies have shown that a properly planned vegan diet is the healthiest of all. I sometimes wonder why the question is generally framed in terms of why someone has chosen to be a vegetarian, as if it somehow needs a justification. I think when I started turning it around and asking myself why I ate meat I found myself not coming up with a reason that was compelling enough to justify it.

Although I think I became a vegetarian primarily for those reasons as the years have gone on I have come to feel that the most compelling reason of all are the detrimental environmental effects of people eating so much meat. It takes many more resources (land, energy, grain) to bring a pound of meat to a dinner table than a pound of beans or other non-animal products. Consider how much grain and food that a cow has to eat before it is ultimately divided up into meat for human consumption.

So one thing I always like to encourage people who do it meat is to consider eating less. Even if you are not swayed by moral arguments about the animals, eating less will help decrease the drain on our natural resources.

As a previous poster indicated, of course other animals do kill and eat in the wild. But for the most part such animals are unable to physically process vegetable matter. There are numerous omnivores, of course, such as bears and raccoons. But they do not have agriculture and transportation to be able to meet their nutritional needs in the same way we can.

I am not one of those vegetarians who hate non-vegetarians, etc. I am just trying to explain why I personally decided to become vegetarian. I would love to be vegan, but unfortunately I don't think I will be able to do that until I retire and am able to plan my meals more regularly and cook more often.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:48 PM
 
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I am a vegetarian for a number of reasons. There is a lot of research that has shown that the human brain evolved much more quickly once our forebears began increasing the protein in their diets through meat. However, we have now gotten much further and can get our protein requirements from sources other than animals. So to me it it difficult to justify eating meat when there seems to be no nutritional reason to do so. In fact, some studies have shown that a properly planned vegan diet is the healthiest of all. I sometimes wonder why the question is generally framed in terms of why someone has chosen to be a vegetarian, as if it somehow needs a justification. I think when I started turning it around and asking myself why I ate meat I found myself not coming up with a reason that was compelling enough to justify it.

Although I think I became a vegetarian primarily for those reasons as the years have gone on I have come to feel that the most compelling reason of all are the detrimental environmental effects of people eating so much meat. It takes many more resources (land, energy, grain) to bring a pound of meat to a dinner table than a pound of beans or other non-animal products. Consider how much grain and food that a cow has to eat before it is ultimately divided up into meat for human consumption.

So one thing I always like to encourage people who do it meat is to consider eating less. Even if you are not swayed by moral arguments about the animals, eating less will help decrease the drain on our natural resources.

As a previous poster indicated, of course other animals do kill and eat in the wild. But for the most part such animals are unable to physically process vegetable matter. There are numerous omnivores, of course, such as bears and raccoons. But they do not have agriculture and transportation to be able to meet their nutritional needs in the same way we can.

I am not one of those vegetarians who hate non-vegetarians, etc. I am just trying to explain why I personally decided to become vegetarian. I would love to be vegan, but unfortunately I don't think I will be able to do that until I retire and am able to plan my meals more regularly and cook more often.
I completely agree with this post. Excellent.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:52 PM
 
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Ok so if my child comes to me and says she does not want to eat meat, the rest of us should stop eating meat to support her? What about us who still want to eat meat, should we hide in a closet to eat it.

When my daughter told me this is what she wanted, I accommodated her and the grocery list, I added vegi burgers and tofu etc, I should maybe add for your benefit she went SIX MONTHS not eating meat. It just so happened the ribs was the end of it. Even today she says she does not know what she was thinking, because she loves meat. She was 14 at the time trying to try new things. So what should I have done in your opinion?
I would have encouraged her to stick with it, but at 14, it very well may have been just a fad, anyway. That would explain her submitting to the ribs.

And no, you should continue eating meat, and should not have to stop simply because she decided to stop eating it. I misjudged your first post and was under a different impression, so I apologize.
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:54 PM
 
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Really? Well, if that is the case - perhaps you would support the government taking the children away from those terrible parents??
No, not in this situation. It would be uncalled for.
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